The Rise and Demise of Ancy D’Souza’s Mangalorean Catholics yahoo group


MARCH 13, 2017

 

The Rise and Demise of Ancy D’Souza’s Mangalorean Catholics yahoo group

 

The Mangalorean Catholics (MC) yahoogroup list was launched under the name “Mangalorean Canara Konkani Catholics” on June 3, 2004 by Ancy Salvatore D’Souza, Paladka/Mumbai, also known as Salu Soz (https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MangaloreanCatholics/conversations/topics/1154).

 

The final MC digest issued was no. 2954 on January 3, 2015. It contained no hint that it would be the last, no farewell or goodbye. It contained posts mainly from the owner, Salu Soz, himself a “progressive”, and from the three liberal Catholic contributors, the Bombay Catholic Sabha, Robin Viegas and Fr. Claude Saldanha O.P. The previous digest no. 2953 was almost a carbon copy of 2954. So too was 2952. The semblance of anything Catholic in “MangaloreanCatholics” was long since gone. The last messages reported an existence of 4093 members (they had dreamed of a target of 50,000*) but not more than a dozen were posting.

The life span of MC: ten and a half years.

 

From: Me, Anonymously To: salusoz@yahoo.co.in, ancyds@gmail.com

Date: Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 3:41 PM
Subject: daily mangalorean catholics news letter
Dear Mr. Ancy D’Souza

The last MangaloreanCatholics digest received by us was on 3/1/2015.

Since then we were getting a monthly automatic intimation (Important Instructions to Members of MangaloreanCatholics), but that too was only till June 2016.

What happened?

When you will restart?

 

From: Ancy S DSouza Paladka ancyds@gmail.com
To:
Me

Date: Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 11:25 AM
Subject: Re: daily mangalorean catholics news letter
Hi, I am no longer monitoring this bulletin now

 

The beginning was unquestionably Catholic. Note on the last page Salu Soz’s denial of it.

The first MC post, dated June 3, 2004, was about the diocese of Mangalore and their Bishop (https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MangaloreanCatholics/conversations/topics/1).

The next day, Salu Soz published a list of “Basic Konkani prayers”.

June 4: In our good world there may be very few bad creatures that can spoil the tempo of the group members by sending vulgar stuff or virus like information. Hence we check out the content before posting so that our members will receive only the required stuff… In Christ, Salu Soz

June 13: 40 Konkani prayers with rosary

July 5: *We have achieved 50 members in a day, 500 members in a month and at least 50,000 Mangaloreans someday.

 

A month post-launch, the first errors crept in: (I was still a little over a year away from becoming a member)

July 7: We need your support for our coming programme in Mangalore to the aid of Kripa foundation. -Melwin Mathias

October 18: My daughter aged 12 years learns Bharatanatyam and also performs dances for pop Hindi music.

However, I want her to perform dance for the Konkani Hymns. Does anyone know where I can get cassettes or CDs for the Bharatanatyam or classical type of Konkani songs or hymns?

I would appreciate your response in return. -Alphonse Mendonsa, Abu Dhabi, U.A.E.

 

 

 

Dear Mr. Alphonse,

The right person you may contact is the Music Master Mr. Jossie Moras who is in Dubai church choir and also a Music Professor in a reputed music institute in Dubai. He has done a significant work in Karnataki music and knows everything about Indian music.

His email id is: josephmoras@… Res: 04-3968472 Off: 04-3351221

Dev Borem Korum,

Salu Soz

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See and register your seats quickly at http://singaporeseminar.com/preview.htm for time, place, registration, and other further information. -Jim Thio

March 22, 2005: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MangaloreanCatholics/conversations/topics/2094

Father Muller Homoeopathic Pharmaceuticals sets standards in manufacturing homoeopathic drugs

 

How were they to know that Bharatanatyam is Hindu temple dance and that KRIPA Foundation, Jossie Moras’ music school, hypnotherapy, NLP and homoeopathy are New Age?

 

MC posts contained reflections on Sunday readings, accounts of the lives of saints, “daily vitamins”, chapters from the Imitation of Christ, etc.

March 24, 2005: The first liberal voices are raised against overdose of religion in MC; Salu Soz does not come down strongly:

Overdosed with religious issues

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MangaloreanCatholics/conversations/topics/2110

I think, this forum is overdosed with religious issues. This is the time to review the content of mangaloreancatholics group. -Adrin Crasta

I too am overdosed with religious issues as Adrin Crasta has been, and I promptly delete everything which sounds like daily vitamins, reflections, etc., without ever reading. -Mohan Prabhu

 

June 12, 2005: Hrishikesh Shenoy, a Gowd Saraswat Brahmin (GSB) is accorded membership.

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MangaloreanCatholics/conversations/topics/2706

He commenced his apologetics for Hinduism and diatribes against Christianity on June 17:
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MangaloreanCatholics/conversations/topics/2760 and
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MangaloreanCatholics/conversations/topics/2951.

An example of the start of discord with Salu Soz defending Mr. Shenoy:

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MangaloreanCatholics/conversations/topics/3345, September 16, 2005 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MangaloreanCatholics/conversations/topics/3352, September 18, 2005

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MangaloreanCatholics/conversations/topics/3572, October 11, 2005

Joel Fernandes, contributor of the Imitation of Christ series, is fed up and lashes out openly:

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MangaloreanCatholics/conversations/topics/3591, October 13, 2005

 

October 16, 2005:

Enough of “Imitating Christ” writings (which are even more boring than the outdated sermons of an ole Padre)…

Let 10 of your readers honestly admit that they have completely read the Imitating Christ column from the beginning in their entirety and I will eat crow.

I frankly liked, was enlightened and delighted at the writings of Mr. Hrishikesh Shenoy. -Joel D’Souza

 

October 17, 2005: Too much religious discussions

Dear Salu,

I am a subscriber of the newsletter, but I notice that much importance is given to discussions on religion than an kind of community interests.

I guess, you will lose much subscribers if this goes on and is not stopped. Perhaps, for discussion of religion, another group can be formed, which only discusses religion.

Religion is a personal matter and the manner in which this is being discussed is ‘abuse’ of religion itself. -Anonymous

 

In the meanwhile, New Age odds and ends appeared in some posts that were cleared by Salu Soz.

 

 

 

 

 

July 18, 2005: 16 healthy Ayurvedic mantras By Dr. Mandakini Vaisakar/posted by Salu Soz

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MangaloreanCatholics/conversations/topics/2975

August 25, 2005: Numerology
posted by Clarence Fernandes

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MangaloreanCatholics/conversations/topics/3196

 

Then the great deceiver joined MC and the scales were tilted, Fr. Claude Saldanha O.P. dr.claudesaldanha@gmail.com ; csaldanha44@hotmail.com

April 2, 2009: Fabulous collection of Goan recipes; Friday of the Fifth Week in Lent – Reflections

After a number of similar harmless posts, he abandoned all pretenses and revealed his true face.

 

MY LETTER IN BCC TO THE BISHOP OF MANGALORE:

From:
prabhu
To:
Fr. Joseph Vas
Cc:
Salu Soz; Ancy D’Souza; and others 

BCC: BISHOP OF MANGALORE
Sent:
Sunday, October 25, 2009 10:05 PM

Subject:
SERIOUS ERRORS IN MANGALOREAN CATHOLICS

Dear Fr. Juze (SVD, an active member of MC),

I have noted that despite your illnesses and limitations, you have been faithfully contributing spiritually good material to MangaloreanCatholics, as a Catholic priest, which is highly commendable. God bless you for that. You also invest a lot of your time and energy to commenting on various secular issues that members post in MC.

But I humbly ask you to consider whether you are doing the right thing when at the same time you do not correct blatant error that is propagated in the same columns, even as the one copied below [promoting yoga and tai chi] posted by the owner-moderator Mr. Ancy D’Souza.

An ordained cleric of the Church exercises the three-fold ministry of Jesus, which include priest and prophet. A priest is called to be a prophet by correcting error and speaking the truth however costly, and however uncomfortable it might be to others.

I am extremely sorry that despite two Vatican Documents mentioning these New Age practices all the priests on this forum maintain a discrete silence.

Sometime back, when Ancy had published some misinformation … a diocesan priest of Bombay, had on his own initiative written a personal letter to Ancy telling him that he was wrong, and explaining why. I myself had done so many times in the past whenever I saw error posted by any of the members, and Ancy has always posted my emails on the forum. But then he again always posted misinformation as before, and the posting copied below is an example.

I have registered my final protest by stopping from posting any information since a couple of months now, and I concede that I may have been wrong in doing that, but that was my decision only because I have more important things to do with my time which is limited. But no one can say that I did not refute error when it was posted in MC.

Unfortunately, a lot of the error is posted by another priest Fr Claude Saldanha OP., who is evidently an out-an-out liberal and supporter of abortion because he copies much of the information from liberal and dissenting sites and people like the National Catholic Reporter, Fr Thomas Reese, America
magazine, Fr Richard McBrien, feminist nuns like Joan Chittister, etc. etc. and especially his continuous glorification of US President Obama, the most notorious anti-life, same-sex marriage international leader ever.

No genuine Catholic can accept this which shows that Mangalorean Catholics is not a Catholic site as its name implies, but a secular one that uses the term “Catholic”.

Catholics are thus misguided by our presence and by our silence. If we participate in the forum without objecting or countering the errors, it implies that we agree with them. Hence we become party to the errors that others might be led into by such misinformations being passed off as truth.

Pope Felix III said, “Not to oppose error is to approve it, and not to defend truth is to suppress it, and indeed, to neglect to confound evil men when we can do it, is no less a sin than to encourage them.”

 

A number of lay persons including Fr Juze Vas have regularly written in MC supporting my postings in defence of Catholic Faith especially in the past 9 months. It seems that such letters in my favour have made me unpopular with the moderator who has stopped acknowledging any of my emails to him since a few months whereas he was otherwise always most prompt to respond. Truth, I suppose, exacts a heavy price.

There are many anti-Catholic postings being made, many of them by Hrishikesh Shenoy, a Hindu member of Mangalorean Catholics with outrageously anti-Biblical beliefs on almost every moral issue. I have a detailed record of all such errors that have gone unprotested and uncorrected while we close our eyes to them and keep making nice comments and giving other good spiritual advice which loses its impact in the light of the many evil recommendations, some of which I briefly note below as samples:

I trust that you will give a patient consideration to my letter to you. With great regards,

Michael Prabhu, Catholic apologist

 

1. PRO-WOMEN’s ORDINATION MC 1709 October 16, 2009 Re: Women Still Unequal In The Church says Superior General Posted by: HAROLD RICHARD LOBO, Pune

 

 

 

2. PRO-PRANAYAMA [YOGA]
MC 1688 October 2, 2009
Pranayama for Good Health
Dora Rego, Mumbai

3. PRO-ABORTION MC 1674 September 20, 2009 Indian Abortion Proponents Stumped By Growing Dearth of Girls  Hrishikesh Shenoy, UK 

4. PRO-POPULATION CONTROL
MC 1620 August 26, 2009, James Dias, Mumbai

5. ANTI-CHRISTIAN MC 1588 August 13, 2009, Hrishikesh Shenoy

6. “THE IRRELEVANCY OF CATHOLIC SCRIPTURAL TEXTS FROM TODAY’S WORLD SITUATION” MC 1535 July 15, 2009 NOAH’s initiates to Build the ark in United States in 2008 Reginald Vaz

7. PRO-HOMOSEXUALITY MC 1534 July 14, 2009 Re: Homosexuals Hrishikesh Shenoy

8. PROTESTANT TESTIMONY Calvary Community Church MC 1533 July 13, 2009 Anniversary date – Praise The Lord – A rare Miracle Ancy S DSouza

9. PRO-HOMOSEXUALITY MC 1532 July 12, 2009 Homosexuality & lack of Procreation Vs Celibate priests…
Hrishikesh Shenoy

10. PRO-ABORTION MC 1532 July 12, 2009 Re: Make abortion legal up to 24 weeks says Govt. panel Hrishikesh Shenoy

11. PRO-JUNGIAN PSYCHOLOGY [NEW AGE] INTRODUCING MEMBERS TO A BLOG MC 1532 July 12, 2009
Tiatriste and Jungian Archetypes‘ Alex Fernandes

12. PRO-OBAMA, PRO-ABORTION “Former papal theologian praises Obama’s ‘realism,’ even on abortion”
by John L Allen Jr, NATIONAL CATHOLIC REPORTER (LISTED ON
http://www.catholicculture.org/culture/reviews/ AS A DANGEROUS ANTI-CATHOLIC SITE WITH NO FIDELITY TO CATHOLIC TEACHING) 

MC 1518 July 4, 2009 Former papal theologian, a Dominican Cardinal, praises Obama… Fr. Claude Saldanha, OP. 

13. PRO-HOMOSEXUALITY
MC 1516 July 3, 2009 Hrishikesh Shenoy

14. PRO-HOMOSEXUALITY MC 1511 July 1, 2009 Re: Church to oppose legalization of gay sex in India Hrishikesh Shenoy

15. PRO-HOMOSEXUALITY MC 1507 June 30, 2009 Re: Church to oppose legalization of gay sex in India Hrishikesh Shenoy

16. PRO-MICHAEL JACKSON whose lifestyle, personality, theatrics and lyrics were antithetical to Christianity MC 1505 June 29, 2009 Prayers from a Seminarian for Michael Jackson Ancy S DSouza

17. MC 1491 dated June 19, 2009 Breathing Therapy – Right and Left side of your nose Daniel D’Sa

18. PRO-HOMOSEXUALITY
+ “We were taught […] about contraception in my school by catholic priests” MC 1486 June 17, 2009
Re: Foul-Mouthed Homosexual Activist and Anti-Christian Bigot Appointed Hrishikesh Shenoy

19. TWO ANTI-CATHOLIC LETTERS MC 1483 June 14, 2009 Re: Obama’s First 100 Days: The anti-life plan is now established HRISHIKESH SHENOY

20. PRO-HOMOSEXUALITY MC 1476 June 9, 2009 Re: Foul-Mouthed Homosexual Activist and Anti-Christian Bigot Appointed
Hrishikesh Shenoy

21. SMUTTY JOKES from FR. CLAUDE SALDANHA, O.P., MC 1436 May 8, 2009:

1. Who was the first person to look at a cow and say, ‘I think I’ll squeeze these dangly things and drink whatever comes out?’
2. Why does your OB-GYN leave the room when you get undressed if they are going to look up there anyway?

3. If quizzes are quizzical, what are tests? [ANSWER: TESTICLES]

This is only a miniscule presentation. Some of his filthy “jokes” are unprintable.

22. ANTI-CATHOLIC, NEW AGE, AMERICAN INDIAN SPIRITUALITYThe past is a very living thing: Try not to forget it
” MC 1419 April 27, 2009 Fr Claude Saldanha, OP

23. PRO-OBAMA “I read with delight that Obama is the most pro-abortion President of the USA” MC 1401, April 15, 2009
abortion issue” Fr Claude Saldanha, OP…

Yours obediently,

Michael Prabhu, Catholic apologist, Chennai www.ephesians-511.net

 

Austine Crasta owner-moderator of Konkani Catholics (KC) yahoo group contributes information:

I. February 15, 2005:

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MangaloreanCatholics/conversations/topics/1860

II. September 22, 2005: The Danger of Relativism

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MangaloreanCatholics/conversations/topics/3381

See THE RISE AND DEMISE OF AUSTINE CRASTAS KONKANICATHOLICS

http://ephesians-511.net/docs/THE_RISE_AND_DEMISE_OF_AUSTINE_CRASTAS_KONKANICATHOLICS.doc

 

July 19, 2005: My first post on MC

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MangaloreanCatholics/conversations/topics/2982

 

The first major interaction by MC’s Salu Soz with me:

From:
Salu Soz
To:
prabhu
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 9:47 AM Subject: Re: ASTROLOGY: 30 A4 pages

Dear Bab Michael Prabhu,

 

 

 

Thanks for the beautiful write up on Astrology. I would like to upload in my website and publish the link in MangaloreanCatholics group that has thousands of registered members and the group is viewed by more than 8000 Mangalorean Konkani people worldwide every day. Waiting for your reply. Ancy Paladka Email: ancyds@gmail.comIn our good world there may be very few bad creatures that can spoil the tempo of the group members by sending vulgar stuff or virus like information. Hence we check out the content before posting so that our members will receive only the required stuff.

In our good world there may be very few bad creatures that can spoil the tempo of the group members by sending vulgar stuff or virus like information. Hence we check out the content before posting so that our members will receive only the required stuff. In our good world there may be very few bad creatures that can spoil the tempo of the group members by sending vulgar stuff or virus like information. Hence we check out the content before posting so that our members will receive only the required stuff.

In the five years between July 2005 and July 2010, when I unsubscribed from MC, I waged war on the secularists, modernists, syncretists, Hinduisers, New Agers, progressives and liberals who had become members of the forum. I had the open as well as covert support of a few good Catholic members including Salu Soz’s moderator Derrick D’Costa of Bahrain who would regularly post information on MC that supported my stands on various issues. I could fill well over a hundred pages of this file with details of the many debates that I engaged in with the enemies of the Church including Reginald Vaz, Allwyn Fernandes, Fr. Claude Saldanha and Hrishikesh Shenoy who were using the forum to poison the minds of the less well-informed and the naïve.

However, eventually, I came to the conclusion that I was wasting my time and energy especially as Salu Soz, the owner, became more openly hostile to my posts.

So I put in a request that I be unsubscribed from MC:

 

From:
prabhu
To:
MangaloreanCatholics-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 2:12 PM

Subject:
Unsubscribe

From: “prabhu” <michaelprabhu@vsnl.net> To: <confirm-unsub-2bxjxye4pdnmhtplnqnyynorp2cbt3xy@yahoogroups.com>

Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 1:52 AM Subject: Re: Please reply to unsubscribe from MangaloreanCatholics

From: “Yahoo! Groups Notification”
<confirm-unsub-2bxjxye4pdnmhtplnqnyynorp2cbt3xy@yahoogroups.com>
To: <michaelprabhu@vsnl.net> Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 2:19 PM
Subject: Please reply to unsubscribe from MangaloreanCatholics
Hello, We have received a request from you to unsubscribe from the MangaloreanCatholics group. Please confirm your request by replying to this message.  If you do not wish to unsubscribe from
MangaloreanCatholics, please ignore this message. Regards, Yahoo! Groups Customer Care
From: “Yahoo! Groups Notification” <notify@yahoogroups.com>

To: <michaelprabhu@vsnl.net> Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 2:37 AM

Subject: You have been unsubscribed from MangaloreanCatholics

Hello, This is to inform you that your request to unsubscribe from MangaloreanCatholics has been completed.
Regards, Yahoo! Groups Customer Care

 

However, to save face, Salu Soz always maintained that I was banned** from the group!

From:
prabhu
To:
Salu Soz ; Ancy D’Souza
Cc:
csaldanha44@hotmail.com ; dr.claudesaldanha@gmail.com

Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 5:20 PM Subject: Re: MANGALOREAN ANTI-CATHOLICS GROUP?

BCC: To scores of others

Dear Ancy,

Thank you for the most useful C.V. of Fr Claude Saldanha O.P. which will be included by me in my report on FR. CLAUDE SALDANHA, LIBERAL PRIEST PROMOTES DISSENT IN MANGALOREAN CATHOLICS GROUP as requested by you.

Since you have addressed me in your post of May 25, this is my response.

Actually, it is you who do not have the courage to post my earlier two letters in the group because you know that they will open the eyes of many to the truth.

1. You reiterate that I have been banned, and I reiterate that that is a lie, having submitted the evidence that it was I who unsubscribed from the group.

2. I have not sent you threatening emails. Instead I have requested you to desist from publishing letters that are from anti-Rome sources.

While they expose the MORAL or administrative failings of our priests and bishops, which I am not against because people have a right to know the truth, one problem is that they are from dissident, feminist and extreme right-wing “Catholic” publications like the National Catholic Reporter, etc. No true Catholic takes them seriously. Meanwhile, the official explanation of Rome on these issues is not posted to give members the true picture. Most recently, all the postings [sent in by two of your already named members] on the condoms statement of the Pope were from such sources alone, or from secular news agencies who always attack or misinterpret anything that comes from Rome. They did not interpret the Pope’s statement as he meant it. One of them, the communications guy — adds on his comments every time as if to mockingly say to us, “Look- this is your Catholic Church!”

I have almost 100 pages of information from reliable sources on the very same subject, but not one of them made it to your group. Why? Why is only that news published which presents the Pope and the Vatican in a bad light?

If you published the SPIRITUAL instead of the MORAL failings of church leaders, I would be your biggest fan, because then you would be leading Catholics away from the error that they do.

In my records, our friend Derrick D’Costa had posted several times the names of the dissenters and liberals whose articles are reproduced by your two main contributors. I too have done so.

 

 

 

All these dissenters’ names, and the magazines that they write for are in a list of dissenters published by an eminent Catholic site to warn Catholics: 

http://www.ourladyswarriors.org/dissent/index.html. Any site that continuously publishes such articles is promoting dissent.

How does it make me — in your eyes — a fundamentalist to be on the side of those who are loyal to Rome?

3. I have never criticized the Dominican orders of priests and nuns. Only this particular priest. I am right in doing so. He promotes dissent.

4. Fr. Claude’s C.V. is very, very impressive. But it does not count for anything if he is not faithful to Rome and does not use his knowledge and position of authority to defend her against the attacks of secularism and modernism.

I note that less than a dozen members congratulated him on his Golden Jubilee, one being a priest whom I am unable to contact, the other a nun. The priest, another Fr. Saldanha, wrote to Fr. Claude, “I read all your articles.” Apparently he too finds no problem with Fr. Claude’s postings. If I could get in touch with him, I would ask him at least about the dirty jokes that Fr. Claude posted on several occasions, and to which none of your members, including the many priests even made the slightest show of objection.

I am regular penitent and I am not choosy about my confessor, but I doubt that I would want to confess to a priest who thinks that posting them to 4086 members of the group is something expected of a Roman Catholic priest. The Bible says that what comes out from the mouth is what is in one’s heart.

I also that none of those who are in touch with me sent in their felicitations though I have never suggested anything against the priest privately to anyone.

5. You wrote, “As Fr. Claude informs, before being published his articles are reviewed for doctrinal errors. His messages go to people all over the World and they read by Bishops and the faithful, many of them well educated and instructed. If there any doctrinal errors, he would be notified for correction.”

What articles? Maybe I missed them. I will look out for them in future. As far as I know, he simply reproduces stuff from yellow “Catholic” or secular sources. But maybe I am wrong, and I will scrutinize his postings more carefully in the future because I have not seen any original writing from him till now. Thank you for drawing my attention to this. I am most interested. Especially in what is going from him to the Bishops. I will look into this more closely.

There can be “doctrinal errors” only if his writing is original. My writing too is not original. It is based on authentic Catholic sources that are loyal to Rome so it cannot have doctrinal errors. Fr. Claude’s can have errors because his sources’ only work is to fight Rome’s teachings on issues such as women priests, priestly celibacy, the ordination of women, contraception, etc.

I am happy to hear that Fr. Claude’s articles are reviewed by Bishops before publication. But these Bishops must also then be dissenters or rebels if they approve them. Till today, I have never come across anyone who sends their articles to Bishops before publication. I will have to go through all Fr. Claude’s postings till date and come back to you on this.

6. This week, one of your group members sent me these two Catholic YouTube videos. Each is of 5 minutes. I think that you MUST watch them. They support what I say and do.

FROM CATHOLIC APOLOGIST MICHAEL VORIS:

http://www.youtube.com/user/RealCatholicTV?feature=mhee#p/u/0/g-fQ4auMZxk

http://www.youtube.com/user/RealCatholicTV?feature=mhee#p/u/0/QwqXDu7mmMY
TRUTH

Though there is no threat to you in this third letter too, you may again claim there is.

Regards, Michael

 

From:
prabhu
To:
Ancy D’Souza ; Salu Soz
Cc:
csaldanha44@hotmail.com; dr.claudesaldanha@gmail.com; Allwyn Fernandes ; Others; Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 11:54 AM Subject: MANGALOREAN ANTI-CATHOLICS GROUP?

Dear Mr. Ancy D’Souza,

Even though I have unsubscribed as a member of your group, I am following all posts and discussions from other ids.

Right from the start, your group has advocated and promoted error, dissent and modernism.

Some strong Catholics ultimately managed to get you to ban the Hindu member Hrishikesh Shenoy whose only role was to sabotage Catholic discussions.

There were one or two other so-called Catholics who could be dealt with by such as us and by Derrick D’Costa who assisted you in moderating the forum until it was too much even for him to cope with.

Because by then two new liberal suns rose on the MC horizon: Allwyn Fernandes and Fr. Claude Saldanha OP.

Fr. Claude can post his rubbish, sourced from dissenting, feminist and Traditionalist Catholic sites, only in MC. Nowhere else. He needs to find a place to vent, and finds MC good for that.

Allwyn writes for other Catholic journals that I read, but he too can post his anti-Catholic tirades only in MC. Elsewhere, he is very careful the way he puts his ideas across.

But, your main anti-Catholic writer is Reginald Vaz. He submits a lot of unsubstantiated tripe, products of his own spiritual nihilism.

I have copied just three of his recent posts below.

What is amazing to me is that there are a number of good priests on your forum, some of whom I am BC copying this letter to, who remain silent about Vaz’s rantings. Some of them make pious and devotional postings, but lack the courage to defend the Faith when it is challenged by people like Vaz.

I wonder if they realize that — in God’s eyes — by their silence they are as complicit of error as you are for encouraging these men who hate the Church and her teachings and try to poison the minds of others.

 

 

 

 

“He that sees another in error, and endeavors not to correct it, testifies himself to be in error.” -Pope St. Leo I.

“Not to oppose error is to approve it, and not to defend the truth is to suppress it.” -Pope St. Felix III

The Catechism of the Catholic Church teaches,

1868 We have a responsibility for the sins committed by others when we cooperate in them:

—by participating directly and voluntarily in them;

—by ordering, advising, praising, or approving them;

—by not disclosing or not hindering them when we have an obligation to do so;

—by protecting evil-doers.

“Fidelity to the teachings of the Church is nothing less than fidelity to Christ.” –Fr. Thomas Euteneuer, Founder, Human Life International

Justice is trampled underfoot by weakness, cowardice and fear of the diktat of the ruling mindset. Evil draws its power from indecision and concern for what other people think.
-Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger

We’ve had enough of exhortations to be silent! Cry out with a hundred thousand tongues. I see that the world is rotten because of silence. -St. Catherine of Siena

 

“Wrong is wrong, even if everyone else is doing it. Right is right, even if no one else is doing it.” –St. Augustine.

It is amusing to see you simply copy and paste in MC from Vatican Information Service news [as if you feel so much love for the Church’s pronouncements] when the other postings from men including those I named challenge those very same Catholic ideals.

I would not like to be in your shoes when you stand before the Judgement seat because of your using your position of authority to promote spiritual error among your members.

Yes, my dear brethren, we shall see at the Judgement that the largest section of Christians practiced a religion of whim or caprice only; that is to say, the greatest number of them practiced their religion merely from motives of routine, and very few sought God alone in what they did.-St. John Mary Vianney

I am compiling all the errors for a separate report on your group to be sent to the Bishops as well as posted on my web site as a warning to Catholics. Of course, if you check out some of my recent articles and reports (70 new ones to be uploaded by June end), you will find that I have exposed a number of the errors that your site — and others like yours — has promoted.

I once again appeal to you to exert your influence to correct these errors.

Regards, Michael Prabhu

Catholic apologist

www.ephesians-511.net

MC 2324, May 22, 2011

MC 2322, May 20, 2011

MC 2318, May 16, 2011

 

I received letters of solidarity from many MC members including the moderator Derrick D’Costa. A sample:

1. From: “Menzies, Roy (GE Power & Water)” roy.menzies@…
To:
Many

Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 9:54 AM Subject: RE: MANGALOREAN ANTI-CATHOLICS GROUP?

No one claims that Ancy (Salu Soz) is not doing some good work too.  But that is not a licence to do the opposite.
Michael has raised several important concerns and he replies by evading the issue and assorted importuning and vitriol. 
I joined this Group because of the word “Catholic” in the name. So obviously I have no interest to see anti-Catholic postings here! 
The Orissa riots coverage and financial assistance managed by the group was outstanding. But then this group has veered off and seems to have lost its way. And it is clear that this has been accompanied by a dramatic fall in support and postings. That is why Ancy is not extirpating anyone from the group- so he can claim a large subscription! It is called embellishing the truth.
Michael Prabhu is an honourable man who would not countenance such perfidy.
This is an amazing allegation. Is that the practise of this group?
No one is discouraging Ancy. He is being urged to remain true to the founding basis of the group and thereby reclaim the earlier status.

 

2. From:
Richard Mascarenhas
To:
prabhu
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 6:33 PM

Dear Mike, Thanks for all your emails, the latest was on Mangalorean Catholics.  Wonder how these guys can claim themselves to be Catholic and give platform to others for faith bashing… 

 

3. From:
Derrick D’Costa
To:
prabhu
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 10:47 PM

Subject: Re: MANGALOREAN ANTI-CATHOLICS GROUP?

Dear Michael, I am truly out of touch yet you do not fail to copy me. Thanks so much. What little I see is not complimentary, Roy and you make the point that for most and especially non-Mangaloreans like me the only attraction is the Catholicity of the Group. It is most disturbing that it has become virulently dissenting. But I have no comment as I have stopped posting in MC and now have the privilege of rarely reading it. God bless Derrick (former moderator)

 

 

 

 

A couple of Salu Soz’s responses

From: “Ancy D’Souza” <ancyds@gmail.com> To: “prabhu” <michaelprabhu@vsnl.net>

Cc: <csaldanha44@hotmail.com>; <dr.claudesaldanha@gmail.com>; “Allwyn Fernandes” <allwyn.fernandes@gmail.com>; “Fr Cedric” <sjprashant@gmail.com>; <cedricprakash@gmail.com>; hrishikeshenoy@yahoo.com, etc.

Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 1:19 PM Subject: Re: MANGALOREAN ANTI-CATHOLICS GROUP?

Dear Mr. Michael Prabhu,
I want to inform you and remind you that I myself had unsubscribed you from MangaloreanCatholics group because of your bad habit of gossiping and spreading untruth among extreme members and creating confusion among them. You have no right to comment on any postings of our group as you are not at all our member. **For your information I had to ban
you from the group

(the liar, he didn’t) because of the continuous pressure I was receiving from very large number of our group members.
For your information Dr. Hrishikesh Shenoy is still a respected member of MangaloreanCatholics who is a member of our group because of his love for the Konkani Language. Remember ours is not at all a religious group. It is basically a cultural group to spread the culture and language of MangaloreanCatholics.
Moderator and Owner of MangaloreanCatholics group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MangaloreanCatholics/

 

From: “Ancy D’Souza” <ancyds@gmail.com> To: “prabhu” <michaelprabhu@vsnl.net>

Cc: “Salu Soz” <salusoz@yahoo.co.in>; <csaldanha44@hotmail.com>; <dr.claudesaldanha@gmail.com>; “Allwyn Fernandes” <allwyn.fernandes@gmail.com>; “Fr Cedric” <sjprashant@gmail.com>; <cedricprakash@gmail.com>; etc.

Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 9:41 PM Subject: Re: MANGALOREAN ANTI-CATHOLICS GROUP?

Dear Michael,
Just Note: Name of my group is MangaloreanCatholics
Can you see Mangalorean comes first and Catholic next.
Ancy

 

Though I had unsubscribed in July 2010, I continued to receive all Mangalorean Catholics posts on different gmail and yahoo mail ids and I was incensed at the new lows to which the forum had descended in misrepresenting the Catholic Faith and in poisoning Catholics with different errors. Accordingly, I would write to the transgressors and to the moderator Salu Soz against those posts and this continued to generate a lot of heat that resulted in the above correspondence.

As I had mentioned earlier, I would need just a couple of hours to update this file with a hundred pages of supporting evidence on the puerile trash that became the regular fare on Mangalorean Catholics.

MC was built on sand and it well deserved to be closed down without a word of thanks or farewell (there were not more than a handful of faithful left anyway) from the owner Salu Soz.

 

 


 

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