JUNE 7, 2019
Bishop Thomas Dabre approves Jesus’ being called “Isa”, the Muslim prophet who preceded Muhammad
Quran graces the altar at St Patrick’s cathedral in Pune
By Nozzia Sayyed, June 5, 2019
Quran reading at the altar. Apparently, this travesty took place during Mass.
And, why was this Mohammedan permitted to wear a head covering inside the church?
The St Patrick’s Cathedral, the largest parish of Catholics in the city and home to the Bishop of Pune, Rt Rev Fr Thomas Dabre‘s residential and office quarters, opened its doors to host an iftar (break of fast) for Muslims on Monday, June 3.
Karimuddin Shaikh, head of Jamat-e-Islami Hind Pune unit said, “It was a unique experience. We had an iftar party in St Patrick’s church. The event was mesmerising and we saw almost 150 people of different faiths present.”
“We also arranged a lecture and a talk on the holy month of Ramzan and the importance of fasting for Muslims, which was very well received,” said Shaikh.
The two communities, Muslim and Christian, aimed at promoting peace and inclusiveness through the event. Bishop Thomas Dabre said, “This is the first time that such an event was organised at the mother church of Pune city. I have always spoken about inter-religious dialogues to maintain peace and harmony and developing bonds with people of other communities which is very important for the world to exist peacefully.”
“We not only were educated about what Ramzan is, but the Muslim brothers also spoke about Jesus Christ and read some excerpts in Arabic from the holy book of the Muslims. Post that, we also ate at the iftar,” Bishop Dabre added.
“Usually, addressing the Prophet as Isa and not Jesus in front of Christians is not taken very well, but we did not experience anything of that sort at the Church. In fact, our talk was received well and there was a discussion as well. We even recited a prayer from our Holy book, the Quran which mentions Prophet Isa in its aayat (verse). Not only this, but the prayer was recited by us in Arabic and that too in a church,”Shaikh said.
Dr Sameer Tamboli who attended the event said, “It was a very different experience. I felt welcomed in a church.
“It was an eye opener for me where I saw that people are so warm and loving. We exchanged views, post the event, on similarities between both communities.”
Rocky Gomes, a St Patrick’s parishoner who was also present at the event, said it was like “an eighth wonder”.
“We have never had an iftar or a Muslim in this church ever. Listening to them and knowing about Islam was amazing,” Gomes said.
Who is Bishop Thomas Dabre?
Now the Bishop of Poona (earlier of Vasai), he is a former Chairman of the Doctrinal Commission of the Catholic Bishops’ Conference of India. A modernist theologian, he takes immense pride in flaunting his doctoral dissertation “The God Experience of Tukaram – A Study in Religious Symbolism” which he defended in 1979, on the Hindu Sant (“saint”) Tukaram, a 17th century Vedanta scholar and poet. Who was the god worshipped by Sant Tukaram? Sant Tukaram was a devotee of Vitthala or Vithoba, a form of the Hindu deity Vishnu.
Bishop Dabre is a leading proponent of ecumenism and inter-religious dialogue (see the list of files at the end of the present file) through which he aims at “promoting peace and inclusiveness” which comes at the cost of the preaching of the Gospel of Jesus Christ as has been catalogued by this writer.
He is on the Bishops’ committee named “Dialogue and Desk for Ecumenism” for the 3rd consecutive year. But naturally.
He is also a proponent of Yoga which both Hindu and New Age, and consorts with New Agers like the people of the Bede Griffiths Sangha (see the related file in the list of files at the end of the present file).
The large crucifix — the symbol of Christianity since the time of Constantine — traditionally erected behind the main altar in virtually every Catholic church, has been done away with by the Bishop in churches which he has recently been overseeing (see the list of files at the end of the present file).
Bishop Dabre is currently the Chairman of the NBCLC, the National Biblical, Catechetical and Liturgical Centre, Bangalore. The NBCLC is the leading institutional purveyor of liturgical corruption in the Indian Church
NBCLC-HARBINGER OF THE INDIAN RITE MASS AND LITURGICAL ABUSE
The NBCLC is also a kingpin in the New Age/heretical Catholic Ashrams movement.
Why did he invite a bunch of Muslims to Mass?
To educate Catholics about what (the Muslim feast of) Ramzan is (as if we need to know that, considering that most Catholics are poorly catechized and do not know their own faith) and to read us “some excerpts in Arabic from the holy book of the Muslims.” If the Bishop’s parishioners had been properly catechized in the Faith, they would have vehemently protested the Islamization of the Mass instead of being mute spectators or gushing approvers.
Now, the liturgical language of the Catholic Church is Latin. Few post-Vatican Council II Catholics know Latin, but they must be served Arabic at Bishop Dabre’s Mass; and this is the very same Bishop who has denied requests by the faithful their right (see the list of files at the end of the present file) to have Latin Masses offered in his diocese (never mind that it is encouraged by Pope Benedict XVI’s Summorum Pontificum).
What did the Muslims do at this Mass?
The Muslims admit that they prayed from their “holy book”, the Quran, in the church (“the prayer was recited by us in Arabic and that too in a church”).
I may be wrong, but the book on the ambo from which the Mohammedan is reading (in the image on page 1) does not appear to be a Lectionary. It probably is a copy of the Quran (Koran). The Hindustan Times story headline affirms it.
Bishop Thomas Dabre says that “the Muslim brothers also spoke about Jesus Christ”.
That’s nice to hear. But what was it that the Mohammedans said about Jesus Christ?
“Addressing the Prophet as Isa and not Jesus” … “We even recited a prayer from our holy book, the Quran which mentions Prophet Isa,” the Mohammedans proudly boasted.
So who is the prophet Isa for Muslims?
In Islam, ʿĪsā ibn Maryam (Arabic for ‘Jesus, son of Mary’), or Jesus, is understood to be the penultimate prophet and messenger of God (Allah) … Like all prophets in Islam, Jesus is also called a Muslim … In Islam, Jesus is believed to have been the precursor to Muhammad, attributing the name Ahmad to someone who would follow him. Islam rejects the divinity of Jesus and teaches that Jesus was not God incarnate, nor the Son of God, and—according to some interpretations of the Quran—the crucifixion, death and resurrection is not believed to have occurred, and rather that God saved him.
Despite the earliest Muslim traditions and exegesis quoting somewhat conflicting reports regarding a death and its length, the mainstream Muslim belief is that Jesus did not physically die, but was instead raised alive to heaven.
We understand from the Wikipedia extract that for Mohammedans, Jesus is not God. He is a prophet who not just preceded Muhammad but who also prophesied the coming of Muhammad. Saying that Jesus is Isa in a church in the presence of a Catholic Bishop gives legitimacy to the heresy of Islam at the expense of Jesus Christ, His Gospel and His Church.
To Muslims, Jesus or Isa is just another Muslim, a miracle worker but certainly not the Son of God.
If Jesus is not God incarnate, which Isa is certainly not, and if he did not die on the cross and was not raised again, then the foundational beliefs of Christianity are completely baseless. That being the case, what is Bishop Dabre smirking about?
Is Allah, the god of the Muhammedans, the same as the God of the Christians?
No, he is not.
See the following files and many more (in the Articles section) at this ministry’s web site:
ALLAH-AN IMMATERIAL ENTITY OR AN INVISIBLE MAN
ALLAH-IS HE GOD?
ALLAH AND ANTHROPOMORPHISM IN THE QURAN
IS ALLAH OF THE MUSLIMS THE SAME AS THE GOD OF THE CHRISTIANS?
IS ALLAH OF THE MUSLIMS THE SAME AS THE GOD OF THE CHRISTIANS?-02
IS ALLAH THE GOD OF THE BIBLE?
MEETING THE CHALLENGE OF THE QURAN ON THE DEITY OF CHRIST
PROOF FROM THE QURAN THAT JESUS IS GOD
THE IDENTITY OF THE PRE-ISLAMIC ALLAH
THE NATURE OF ALLAH-THE KORAN TEACHES POLYTHEISM
THE QURAN ALLAH AND PLURALITY ISSUES
THE QURAN AND THE CRUCIFIXION OF CHRIST
THE QURAN AND THE HOLY TRINITY
THE QURAN ON JESUS AS THE PREEXISTENT SPIRIT OF ALLAH
THE QURANS MANY GODS AND LORDS
WHAT ISLAM REALLY TEACHES ABOUT ALLAH AND JESUS
WHO REALLY IS MUHAMMADS ALLAH?
WORSHIP OF ALLAH ALONE-THE MESSAGE OF THE QURAN
The titles of 470-plus such files on the errors of the Koran and Islam and of the heresiarch Muhammad may be found at http://ephesians-511.net/recent/docs/MUHAMMAD_THE_HERESY_OF_ISLAM_AND_THE_FALSEHOOD_OF_THE_QURAN.doc
Bishop Thomas Dabre has to be re-educated on this subject of which he appears to know little or nothing, having slavishly pursued Hindu “saints” in his theological studies.
Ignorant parishioner Rocky Gomes sums it up for HT, “Listening to them and knowing about Islam was amazing.”
Is the Koran (Quran) a holy book?
Bishop Thomas Dabre refers to it as “the holy book of the Muslims”. It is anything but.
Among the 470-plus files on Muhammad and Islam at this ministry’s web site, one will find, using the above link:
ARE THERE ERRORS IN THE KORAN?
A STUDY OF THE QURAN FROM A CHRISTIAN PERSPECTIVE
DO CHRISTIANS BELIEVE IN THE KORAN?
EXAMINING THE QURAN-AN EVALUATION OF MUSLIM CLAIMS
HAS THE KORAN EVER BEEN ALTERED?
IS THE QURAN A CONTINUATION OF ARAB PAGANISM?
IS THE QURAN THE WORD OF GOD?
IS TODAYS QURAN THE SAME AS THE ORIGINAL?
ISLAMS AND THE QURANS GROSS ERRORS ON CHRISTIAN DOCTRINE
ISLAM MUHAMMAD AND THE QURAN
JESUS IN THE QURAN AND THE BIBLE
MATERIAL FOR EVALUATION OF CONTRADICTIONS IN THE QURAN
MATERIAL FOR EVALUATION OF THE SOURCES OF THE QURAN
TESTING THE TRUTHFULNESS OF THE KORAN
THE QURAN-AN EVALUATION OF THE MUSLIM CLAIMS
THE QURANS INCOHERENCE AND UNINTELLIGIBILITY
VARIANT READINGS OF THE QURAN
An “iftar party” was held in the cathedral. What is an “iftar party”?
According to earlier cited parishioner Rocky Gomes as well as Karimuddin Shaikh, head of Jamat-e-Islami Hind Pune, the party was held “in the church”.
Iftar is the evening meal with which Muslims end their daily Ramadan fast at sunset. They break their fast at the time of the call to prayer for the evening or sunset prayer known as Maghrib. It is the fourth of five obligatory daily prayers or salat performed by practicing Muslims.
Iftar is one of the religious observances of Ramadan, and is often done as a community, with Muslim people gathering to break their fast together.
Muhammad, his false religion, and his Quran reject the Trinity and the divinity of Jesus Christ.
What does Scripture say about that? It says that he is a liar and the antichrist.
“Who is the liar? Whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ.
Whoever denies the Father and the Son, this is the antichrist.” -1 John 2:22
I wonder how many of Bishop Thomas Dabre’s priests actually stand along with him on his actions.
He is on record as being a heartless, autocratic, arrogant man who does not tolerate dissent, if the following Indian Express story is to be believed:
Pune: Some priests accuse Bishop of functioning in an arbitrary manner
From the sedevacantist blog
http://www.traditio.com/comment/com1906.htm dated June 9:
St. Patrick’s Cathedral, Once Catholic Has Been Turned by Newchurch into a “Mosque for a Day”
The Mohammedan Koran Is Placed on the New Order “Altar” while an Infidel Imam Leads the Newchurchers in Services
Newchurch Is by Now Completely out of Control not only in India, as Depicted Here
Newchurch Temples Have Been Turned Over to Infidels for Services All over the World
Its Newpope Francis-Bergoglio Is an Out-and-out Heretic whose Deposition Has Been Demanded by Some One Hundred of Newchurch’s Own Theologians
The Newchurch of the New Order Has Not Been the Catholic Church since Its Formation in 1964 at the Vatican II Anti-council
We kid you not. This is just the next step in the takeover of the Catholic Church by the Newchurch vandals and their barbaric Newpopes. On June 3, 2019, St. Patrick’s Cathedral in Pune, India, was turned over to the infidel Mohammedans for a service at which the Koran was placed on the once-Catholic eucharistic dinner table. The event was personally approved by the Newchurch bishop of Pune, Thomas Dabre, who commended it.
That “unsaint” Novus Ordo nun, “Mother” Theresa of Calcutta, spurred a lot of this heretical False “Oecumenism” (we all worship the same god; all religions are equally true), which saw New Order churches worship the pagan elephant god, Ganesh. Theresa created a hybrid order of Mohammedanism and the New Order and spread it all over India. Perhaps this fact should not be surprising. Theresa had appointed as spiritual director for herself and her Missionaries of Charity a Newchurch presbyter who turned out to be a rampant paedophile. When the man’s crimes became public, Theresa did not fire him; she defended him! [Some information for this Commentary was contributed by the Hindu Star Times.]
True Catholics, when the “prophet” Jesus Christ was referred to at the cathedral service by the imam, He was termed “Isa,” which is taken as a slur by Christians. The Arch-heretic Martin Luther came up with the idea of destroying the unity of Rome and turning over decisions to national bishops’ conferences (synods). That idea was implemented at the Vatican II Anti-council (1962-1965) to replace the Roman Catholic Church with the heretical Newchurch of the New Order, in which every country makes up its own false faith as it pleases. The Newchurch of the New Order is most certainly NOT the Catholic Church.
SOME RELATED FILES
*Note: Due to modifications being carried out on the web site, the links given below will not open.
The following files may be accessed by Googling the respective titles (in blue colour).
ALL RELIGIONS ARE NOT EQUAL
CARMELITE PRIESTS DIALOGUE WITH HINDU SWAMI
CARNATIC MUSIC PERFORMANCE DESECRATES JESUITS CHURCH
FATHERS OF THE SVD CONGREGATION WITHOUT ZEAL OR HOPE
FOCOLARE, ‘THE WORK OF MARY’-IS IT GOOD FOR CATHOLICS?
INTERRELIGIOUS DIALOGUE 01-POPE BENEDICT XVI
INTERRELIGIOUS DIALOGUE 02-GOA CATHOLICS OPPOSE
INTERRELIGIOUS DIALOGUE 03-THE FALSE KIND
SPIRIT OF ASSISI
THE TYRANNY OF DIALOGUE
WAS JESUS A YOGI? SYNCRETISM AND INTERRELIGIOUS DIALOGUE-ERROL FERNANDES
SAINT FRANCIS AND CHRISTIAN-MUSLIM RELATIONS-ECUMENISM WITH MUSLIMS
BISHOP THOMAS DABRE
IS BISHOP DABRE FORMER CHAIRMAN DOCTRINAL COMMISSION A PROPONENT OF YOGA?
BANGALORE DELIVERANCE MINISTRY LEADER OBJECTS TO PRIEST’S CRITICISM OF YOGA-ENDORSING BISHOP THOMAS DABRE
6 AUGUST 2015
BISHOP THOMAS DABRE CONSORTS WITH THE ENEMY-THE BHARATIYA SANSKRITI PEETHAM AND THE BEDE GRIFFITHS SANGHA (WHICH IS NEW AGE)
13 AUGUST 2015
BISHOP THOMAS DABRE BRAZENLY LIES IN PRINT AND INTERNET MEDIA ABOUT THE CHURCH POSITION ON YOGA 18 AUGUST 2015
NO CRUCIFIX BEHIND ALTAR IN BISHOP THOMAS DABRES CHURCHES
APRIL 28, 2016
THE CRUCIFIX IS GRADUALLY VANISHING FROM OUR CHURCHES
MARCH/28 NOVEMBER 2015, 25, 30 SEPTEMBER 2016
HINDU RELIGIOUS MARK ON THE FOREHEAD 23-BISHOP THOMAS DABRE WEARS
1 JUNE 2016
BISHOP THOMAS DABRE DENIES FAITHFUL RIGHT TO HAVE LATIN MASS
2 JUNE 2016
BISHOP THOMAS DABRE CELEBRATING HERETIC MARTIN LUTHER 9 AUGUST 2017
CHURCH MOUTHPIECE THE EXAMINER ACCUSED OF PROMOTING HERESY 24 JULY 2015