NOVEMBER 16, 2014
Quo Vadis, Papa Francisco?
08-CONSULTOR TO THE PONTIFICAL COUNCIL FOR CULTURE PRACTISES NEW AGE, ADVOCATES THE HERESY OF WOMEN PRIESTS
In July 2014, Pope Francis named Spanish Claretian priest Fr. Pablo D’Ors as one of the Consultors to the Pontifical Council for Culture. His only apparent qualification, as per a Zenit News Agency report is that he was the director of a theatre writing workshop in Madrid.
However, this ministry discovered that this priest is a practitioner of Zen Buddhist meditation, conducts seminars/courses at the occult and New Age Yoga and Ayurveda Padmasana Center in Madrid, and is an advocate for the ordination of women as priests.
One wonders what this priest’s contribution to the good of the Universal Church will be considering the power and authority conferred on him by Pope Francis who will be “consulting” him in Rome.
The seriousness of this situation assumes even greater significance when one realizes that thirty of these consultants will be meeting in Rome in February 2015 to focus on, discuss, make recommendations and take decisions on the future role of women in the Church. Since the priest is an avowed supporter of women’s ordination, there are no prizes for guessing which side he will take at the consultation.
One must also remember the background to the picture — the see-saw battle that raged at the recently concluded (October 5–19) Extraordinary Synod on the Family at which the “progressives” led by Cardinal Walter Kasper almost got away with their attempt to liberalise the Church’s 2000-year old teachings on what is and is not sin in matters of sexual morality. Their efforts were thwarted by Archbishop Gerhard Muller, Cardinals Raymond Burke and George Pell and several others, not forgetting a very alert conservative Catholic media who were camped in Rome to continuously report to us on the proceedings.
This battle between the two groups is certain to be carried on until the Ordinary Synod of October 2015.
Among the dissenters are those who would like to see their priests forsake celibacy and women ordained*.
Fr. Pablo D’Ors is, by his own admission, one of that group.
That people like him have, in the past year or so, gained ascendancy in the Church while arch-conservatives have been “punished” or sidelined is part of a scenario that is now popularly known as “the Francis effect”.
This ministry is still compiling a massive amount of information on the 2014 Synod that will take the reader through the developments from a few months before the start of the Synod until the present moment.
That is the reason that this report in the QUO VADIS PAPA FRANCISCO series is number 08 and not 07. The publishing of QUO VADIS PAPA FRANCISCO 07 is delayed.
To compound the problem of his holding a heretical position on women’s ordination, Fr. Pablo D’Ors is a practitioner of Zen Buddhist meditation. Zen is mentioned in two Pontifical Documents: in #2.1 and #18.104.22.168 (two places) of Jesus Christ, the Bearer of the Water of Life, a Christian Reflection on the New Age, 2003, and in END NOTES 1 of Letter to the Bishops of the Catholic Church on Some Aspects of Christian Meditation, 1989. All three references as well as related information in these Documents seek to warn Catholics of the dangers of these eastern meditations (Zen. T.M. and yoga) which are occult and New Age.
Pope Francis is apparently already tainted by his own involvement with New Age; see three reports whose titles are colored red in the page 13 list at the end of the present report.
*The importance of the 2014 Synod and its 2015 follow-up has not been lost on anyone having even the littlest stake in the pro-family, pro-life, pro-male priest apostolate, or in those of the opposite camp. To underline that observation, I have underlined the phrase containing the word “Synod” in several news stories and articles reproduced below because both trads and libs look to the Synod happenings with hope.
Pope Names New Consultors to Pontifical Council for Culture
Appoints Two from US, Including a Lecturer from Georgetown University
Vatican City, July 01, 2014 (Zenit.org)
Pope Francis has appointed new consultors to the Pontifical Council for Culture, including a bioethics expert from Georgetown University, a lecturer in philosophy and theology at the University of Notre Dame in Lebanon, and a Latin expert from the University of Bologna, Italy.
The full list is as follows:
-Fr. Paul Bere, S.J., professor of sacred scripture at the Theological Institute of the Society of Jesus in Abidjan, Cote d’Ivoire
-Fr. Pablo d’Ors, C.M.F., director of the theatre writing workshop of the University of Madrid, Spain
-Fr. Kevin Fitzgerald, S.J., lecturer in bioethics at Georgetown University, U.S.A.
-Fr. Fernando Ortega, dean of the faculty of theology at the Pontifical Catholic University of Buenos Aires, Argentina
-Professor Edward Alam, U.S.A., lecturer in philosophy and theology at the Notre Dame University in Louaize, Lebanon
-Professor Ralf van Buhren, Federal Republic of Germany, lecturer in Christian art and religious architecture at the faculty of social communication of the Pontifical University of the Sacred Heart, Rome
-Professor Glen Chatelier, director of the office for international affairs at the Assumption University, Bangkok, Thailand
-Edio Costantini, director of the “Luigi Gedda” national study centre of the Centro Sportivo Italiano – CSI, Italy
-Professor Ivano Dionigi, rector of the University of Bologna and president of the Pontificia Accademia Latinitatis, Italy
-Joachim Hake, director of the Katholische Akademie of Berlin, Federal Republic of Germany
-Choe Hyondok, Korea, coordinator of the Catedra de Estudios de Corea y del Este Asiatico at the University of Costa Rica
-Marguerite Lena, lecturer in philosophy at the College des Bernardins in Paris, France
-Piotr Pasterczyk, lecturer in cultural history at the Catholic University of Lublin, Poland
Consultor, Pontifical Council for Culture, Spanish Claretian priest Fr. Pablo D’Ors, C.M.F.
Who is Fr. Pablo D’Ors?
According to a yoga blog:
Pablo D’Ors, a Silence to Share
Pablo D’Ors, author of the successful test Biography of silence, we spoil you with a formidable meditation seminar on Saturday, June 28 at Padmasana Center Madrid, 19 to 21 hours. Two hours of meditation and inner search that will leave you mark.
“I started to feel me to meditate in silence and stillness at my own risk, with no one to give me some basic notions or which will accompany me in the process. The simplicity of the method – sit, breathing, silence the thoughts…- and, above all, the simplicity of its claim – reconcile man with what is – I seduced from the beginning. I am tenacious temperament, I have kept faithfully for several years to this discipline, simply sit back and collect and then I realized that it was OK with good mood that came, it was what was.”
Paul D’Ors (Madrid, 1963) born in a family of artists and was educated in a German cultural environment. He is a Catholic priest, zen disciple
and writer. He is also the founder of the spiritual training seminar Search Mountain. In search of silence has made the pilgrimage to Compostela walk and has traveled to the Sahara desert, Mount Athos and the Himalayas. He has published the essay Sendino dies, and novels The stupor and wonder and Lessons of illusion, among others.
After graduating in New York and studied philosophy and theology in Rome, Prague and Vienna – which specializes in German language and literature, is doctor, under the direction of its master Elmar Salmann, with a thesis entitled Theopoetics. Theology of the literary experience. He was ordained a priest in 1991 and is aimed at the Claretian Mission in Honduras, where displays an evangelizing and social work. Back in Spain, he combines his – as coadjutor parish first and as a University chaplain, pastoral work after – with a teaching as Professor of dramaturgy and theological aesthetics in various universities in Spain and Argentina. In 2004, for their critical and open stance, it is relieved of their positions in the University.
His career as a novelist began in 2000, resulting the Herralde Prize finalist and inaugurating its unmistakable style, comic and lyrical at the same time, spiritual and sensory. Between 2001 and 2007 he reconciles his creative task with the literary criticism in the cultural supplement of the ABC newspaper. His nouvelle Adventures of the printer Zollinger is adapted to the theatre and staged in 2011 in Italy by the famous actor and director Roberto Abbiati. All his works, mainly related to the literature of Franz Kafka, Hermann Hesse and Milan Kundera, have been very well received by critics.
The public recognition get you with your Trilogy of silence, formed by The friend of the desert (Anagrama, 2009), the critically acclaimed Biography of silence (Siruela, 2012), who has reached seven editions in little more than one year, and The forgetfulness of itself (Pre-Textos, 2013), a tribute, whom he considers his spiritual father: Charles de Foucauld.
Currently, in addition to encouraging a spiritual, called training seminar in the open centre of the Foundation Tomillo Search of the mountain, a course of Introduction to contemplation and a workshop on reading under the title “The wisdom of tales”, Pablo D’Ors attends spiritually to the sick and dying in a hospital in his hometown.
Here’s another excerpt from the famous Biography:
“A year of persistent meditation, or even half, enough to realize that you can live in a different way. Meditation we concentrated, us returns home, teaches us to live with our being, cracked us our personality structure until both meditate, the rift widens and the old personality breaks and, like a flower, begins to be born a new.
Meditation is to attend this tremendous and fascinating process of death and rebirth. Thanks to the meditation the author has discovered that there is no I and world, but that world and I are the same and only thing”.
“There is no I and world, but that world and I are the same and only thing“? “Death and rebirth“? Are these the words and philosophy of a Catholic priest or a Hindu yogi who believes in, reincarnation, maya (illusion) and monism (all is one)? Whatever his intention, I am able to arrive at only one understanding.
His blog is at http://pablodors.blogspot.in/ and his email address is email@example.com.
Fr. Pablo D’Ors and New Age
1. On Facebook
TOP: Seminar on Meditation with Pablo D’Ors, 28th June at 19:00 hrs.
BOTTOM: “Writer, expert in Zen meditation, Catholic priest, author of the successful literary work “A Biography of Silence”, Pablo D’Ors will guide us on a journey to our inner selves from the Padmasana Centre, Madrid. Reserve a place by calling 91 3822733.
2. On Facebook once again, we see Fr. Pablo D’Ors conducting sessions on Zen meditation at the Yoga and Ayurveda Padmasana Center in Madrid, Spain. Is it appropriate that a Catholic priest teaches Zen meditation, (meditation and prayer is the same for him, according to his YouTube videos)
even if it is just to facilitate prayer, in a yoga academy? Does the end justify the means? What people see is a Catholic priest, now a consultor to the Pope, who gives courses on a Buddhist meditation in a yoga institute. If I were tempted to allow this priest the benefit of the doubt, conceding that he may be leading non-Christians to Jesus by combining Zen with Christian prayer, two things would deter me: one, his advocacy of womenpriests, and two, his statements about rebirth and “there is no I and world…” as I have commented on above. They seem to indicate that his Christian philosophy is corrupted and syncretised by Buddhist and Hindu influences.
Pablo d’Ors en Padmasana
By Yoga y Ayurveda Padmasana Center Madrid, http://www.padmasanacenter.com/yoga.aspx, Spain
Excelente seminario sobre meditación de la mano del escritor, sacerdote católico y practicante de meditación zen Pablo d’Ors
That translates as:
An excellent seminar about meditation from the hand of the writer, Catholic priest and practitioner of Zen meditation, Pablo d’Ors.
In two of the photographs below, note the “OM” symbol on the wall to the left of the priest.
This is Traditionalist:
The Vatican Consultant is interested in erotic Zen Buddhism too
From Eponymous Flower, November 12, 2014
The consultant to the Vatican’s Pontifical Council for Culture, Fr. Pablo d’Ors, who promotes the heresy of women priests, is also into eroticism and Zen Buddhism. That will provide great cultural advice to the Church, won’t it, especially if you want the Church to adopt the maxims of the world. Of course Francis appointed such a “qualified” individual.
Pontifical Council for Culture Supports Women Priests?
— The “Erotic Buddhist”, Whom Francis Appointed as Consultor
(Rome) The Pontifical Council for Culture is preparing an “opening” towards women priests? Pablo d’Ors, appointed papal Consultor of the Council for Culture since July 1st, is convinced of a realignment. “While orthodox Church representatives are being kicked out from the Vatican, heretics are being brought in,” said Messa in Latino about the Spanish priest, novelist and “Zen Buddhist” and his interview in the daily newspaper La Repubblica.
The Pontifical Council for Culture, headed by Cardinal Gianfranco Ravasi, seems to deal not only with culture and sports, but also with the Doctrine of the Faith, and ground filled with land mines. Anyway, if you can believe the words of the Spanish Claretian priest, Pablo d’Ors. In an interview with La Repubblica on 5 November, he said that for “the next General Assembly” of the Pontifical Council for Culture is for common ground, which will be convened in 2015 on the topic of “female culture”, an “opening” in the direction of women priests. He will attend and is “absolutely sure”. Pablo d’Ors added: “And I am not alone.”
Last July 1, Pope Francis appointed Pablo d’Ors as Consultor of the Pontifical Council for Culture.
Ecclesiastical Cultural Understanding only B-Class: No Longer an Alternative to the World, but “Dialogue” with the World
Father Pablo d’Ors describes himself as “erotic, mystical and weird”. His life had been “full of loving relationships, reading and travel, also reckless”. This helped him in his appeal that he discovered at the age of 27. “Knowing human love, divine love helps to better understand” said the Claretian. “Could be. If indeed so many chaste young men and young women also apparently have dedicated themselves in the course of Church history with all their souls and with all their bodies God?” Said Messa in Latina about that.
The Church’s understanding of culture is especially “inappropriate” today for Father d’Ors. Compared to the high culture, this understanding is only B-Class. It was necessary to adjust, stop trying to be an “alternative”, but a Christianity in “dialogue” with the living world.
Priests are better living with a woman: “The time has come”
He has written several novels and is considered the “most German” among living Spanish writers. In one of his novels, the main character, a Slovak woman, goes to bed with all the great writers of the 20th century. Pablo d’Ors said in an interview, a priest lives better with a woman at his side. Why? “Because the time is now ripe.” But that was only his “personal opinion”.
Realignment of the Church Planned in Terms of Women Priests?
The Pontifical Council for Culture “can’t talk about it”. There you will, however, talk about women priests. “I think there will be a realignment at the next General Assembly”
He has also written some non-fiction books, including his most successful book Biografía del silencio (Biography of Silence), in which he says, each “should create a work of art”. In line with this premise seems to be his default setting: “An important criterion to measure the spiritual vitality of a person is their willingness to change. To resist life is a sin, because life is in constant development,” according to the ancient Greek aphorism Panta Rhei.
To be allow himself to be “swept away by life” – “If I were not a Christian, I would be a Buddhist”
Pablo d’Ors and the art to “aggiornare”
Pablo d’Ors also advocates a “new form” of asceticism. It was outdated to build life on a solid rock, because on the quicksand you can admirably live an “authentic spiritual vitality”. Rain, raging rivers, winds and storms are not a problem because one must allow himself to be “swept away by life”.
To this end, the new Consultor of the Pontifical Council for Culture has offered courses for years. To participate there is no spiritual formation and religious affiliation necessary, although the coursework is “primarily” of the Christian tradition and “secondarily” derived from Zen Buddhism. Predictably d’Ors said in an earlier interview: “If I were not a Christian, I would be a Buddhist.”
To the La Repubblica question, what’s the best way for a man to die, d’Ors said: “By attentiveness and completion you forget yourself, which is the hardest part”.
Nuova Bussola Quotidiana writes: “A few days ago I visited my old mountain parish. The pastor has not been around for a few years now. He ascended into the sky. He literally sacrificed himself every day, to visit the sick and dying and to make them human, but especially the sacramental assistance and consolation. Because it was his wish that save their souls.”
How Did You Get in Contact with Pope Francis?
The question can not be answered. Pablo d’Ors, currently heads a theater workshop at the University of Madrid, offers no clues. La Repubblica asked how he came to know Pope Francis, and he only said: “He probably will have asked: Who is the most insignificant priest from Madrid?”
Pablo d’Ors, grandson of the famous Spanish art critic Eugeni d’Ors, is a student of the German Benedictine Father Elmar Salmann. In 1991 he was ordained a priest and sent by his order, the Claretians, to evangelize Honduras. After his return to Spain, he was university chaplain and specialized in literary workshops with a focus on dramaturgy and theological aesthetics in Spain and Argentina.
He learned through his contacts in Germany know the Jesuit Franz Jalics and established the association Amigos del Desierto (Friends of the desert), which is also the title of a novel by d’Ors. The desert represents infinity. The novel portrays a wandering between Christian mysticism and Zen Buddhism.
Because of the arrest of Father Jalics and other Jesuits during the military dictatorship in Argentina, the Order had reservations about Jorge Mario Bergoglio. Father Jalics forgave the Argentine cardinal after his election as Pope. He and the other Jesuits were not denounced by him, as was incorrectly stated. On October 5, 2013, Father Jalics was received by Pope Francis in Santa Marta. Nothing became known about the content of the meeting.
The following, in red, is a comment (1 out of 53) about Pope Francis made by one “Traductora”, taken from the November 13, 2014, blog “Francis. He puzzles me sometimes“, of Fr. John Zuhlsdorf:
Francis. He puzzles me sometimes.
Posted on 13 November 2014 by Fr. John Zuhlsdorf
–I once was puzzled, but now I’m seriously uneasy. His gnomic utterances and snide criticisms may be a little hard to understand, but thing that one can’t ignore is the people around him and the people he is bringing in. One of these, for example, is the horrible Spanish priest, Pablo or Pau D’Ors – ironically, the grandson of Eugenio D’Ors – who seems to believe that he is combining Christianity and Zen, along with a bit of yoga and “drama therapy” which he will bring to his new appointment to the Council on Culture to which he was personally invited by Pope Francis.
Dime con quién andas, y te diré quién eres… tell me who you hang around with, and I’ll tell you who you are. -Traductora
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2014 4:42 AM
Subject: Re: POPE FRANCIS – NEW AGE
I have seen a webpage http://infocatolica.com/blog/coradcor.php/1407031001-el-budismo-zen-llega-al-ponti
In the cover of his last book (Biography of the silence) he wrote “I am a priest and a Zen disciple”! I believe this sentence cannot be ever accepted!
In his retreats I read there he is accompanied by a Zen expert who teaches about to use zazen to get the silence….
On the Huellas del Zen web page
September 21, 2014
Biografía del silencio. Pablo D’Ors…
El sacerdote y promotor del zen Pablo d’Ors se declara a favor del sacerdocio femenino
El sacerdote madrileño Pablo D’Ors, recientemente nombrado consejero del Pontificio Consejo de la Cultura (PCC) y promotor del budismo zen*, ha mostrado su apoyo a la ordenación de mujeres como presbíteras en el diario italiano La Reppublica. Se da la circunstancia de que el próximo encuentro que organiza el PPC, y que tendrá lugar en Roma el próximo mes de febrero, tratara precisamente sobre el papel de la mujer en la Iglesia. El sacerdote español enviará un informe sobre la cuestión. *promoter of Zen Buddhism
Fr. Pablo D’Ors and the Ordination of Women
This time on Facebook, on a women-priests page, we read that Fr. Pablo D’Ors roots for women “priests”:
Larger source: https://www.facebook.com/RCwomenpriests/posts/718840914864414
Roman Catholic Women Priests
Roman Catholic Women Priests
“Spanish priest Fr Pablo d’Ors, a consultant to the Vatican’s Pontifical Council for Culture, yesterday said he was “absolutely” in favour of opening up the priesthood to women.”
(A number of comments from people extolling women priesthood and Fr. Pablo D’Ors)
Vatican consultant ‘absolutely’ in favour of women priests
Excluding women ‘unacceptable’ says priest due to report to Pontifical Council
By Paddy Agnew, November 6, 2014
Spanish priest Fr Pablo d’Ors, a consultant to the Vatican’s Pontifical Council for Culture, yesterday said he was “absolutely” in favour of opening up the priesthood to women.
Speaking in a candid
tone that appears to take its cue from the frank debate at the recent Synod of Bishops, Fr d’Ors told Italian daily La Repubblica: “Am I in favour [of the ordination of women]? Absolutely, and I am not the only one. The reasoning which claims that women cannot become priests because Jesus was a man and because he chose only men [as his apostles] is very weak. That is a cultural consideration not a metaphysical one.”
Were it not for the fact that Fr D’Ors is one of 30 consultants due to report to a meeting of the Pontifical Council for Culture (PCC) in February, his comments might have little significance. However, the PCC’s meeting in the Vatican will be focused on the role of women in the Catholic Church today.
Senior Vatican spokesman Fr Federico Lombardi told The Irish Times yesterday that he could not comment on Fr d’Ors’ remarks. He said he did not know the Spanish priest, adding that although Fr d’Ors may indeed have some function to perform for the PCC, he certainly was not speaking on behalf of the Vatican on this occasion.
Saying “the time is now ripe to travel down other roads”, Fr d’Ors also said this “change is necessary” because to deny women the priesthood represents “an unacceptable discrimination”. He said that in preparing his report for the PCC, he had spoken to many women, Christian and non-Christian alike, from various social backgrounds, and that “all but one” were in favour of the ordination of women.
He acknowledged there were many in the church, priests and laity alike, who were opposed to such a move, adding that “new things” always frighten people. However, he argued it would be a “sin” to resist this change because “life is a continual evolution”.
Ordained a priest in 1991, 51-year-old Fr d’Ors is listed on the PCC’s website as director of the theatre writing workshop of the University of Madrid. Grandson of Catalan intellectual and art critic Eugenio d’Ors, Fr Pablo is himself a writer. His Trilogy of Silence, which deals with the contemplative dimension of the human experience, proved a major literary success between 2009 and 2013.
This year he founded the association Friends in the Desert which focuses on the role of meditation and silence in the Christian experience.
Fr d’Ors now works at the Ramon y Cajal hospital for the terminally ill in Madrid.
Asked about the nature of his ministry there, he said: “You accompany a [dying] person by truly listening to what they say, without judging them intellectually and without upping the emotional tension. You listen and nothing more, forgetting about yourself, which is the most difficult thing.”
In his interview yesterday, Fr d’Ors also said he had no idea why he had been appointed to the PCC last July, saying with a laugh: “Perhaps he [Pope Francis] asked people, now who is the most marginalised priest in Madrid?”
Dozens of womenpriest advocates register their praise and support for Fr. Pablo D’Ors
The same story on a Catholic site:
Vatican consultant ‘absolutely’ favors women’s ordination
Catholic World News November 6, 2014
A Spanish priest who is a consultant to a pontifical council has said that he is “absolutely” in favor of the ordination of women to the priesthood.
Father Pablo d’Ors, a consultant to the Pontifical Council for Culture, told the Italian daily La Repubblica that the argument against ordination of women is “very weak.”
The Irish Times, noting that the Pontifical Council for Culture is due to discuss the role of women in the Church, asked Father Federico Lombardi, the director of the Vatican press office, for a reaction to the Spanish priest’s remarks. The Vatican spokesman said that he could not comment except to say that Father d’Ors did not speak for the Vatican.
2 out of 2 comments
1. Firstly, the issue has been definitively resolved by 1994 Ordinatio Sacerdotalis: “The Church has no authority whatsoever to confer priestly ordination on women and this judgment is to be definitively held by all the Church’s faithful.” That alone is not a “very weak” argument, especially for someone who is a Catholic priest. Secondly, the PRO arguments about “human rights” or “women’s rights” to ordination entirely miss the point.
2. I know being a consultant to the Vatican isn’t the same as speaking for the Vatican, but isn’t he a priest? And it seems he could just write in his personal thoughts instead of broadcasting them in the media.
Here’s the same story from the dissenting, liberal, heretical National Catholic Reporter that has been in the vanguard of the campaign for womenpriests:
Vatican appointee ‘absolutely’ in favor of women priests
By Denis Coday, November 6, 2014
One thing we learned in October is that a synod of bishops, typically a staid talking shop that verges on the boring, can turn into to a robust round of discussions when the synod fathers follow Pope Francis’ instructions to “speak with parrhesia” — meaning to speak candidly or boldly, and without fear — “and listen with humility.”
Perhaps the Vatican will experience another round of parrhesia early next year when Vatican’s Pontifical Council for Culture is to convene a meeting on the role of women in the Catholic Church today. The council will host a plenary assembly, titled “Women’s Cultures: Equality and Difference,” in February for members and consulters.
Among the consulters is a Spanish priest, Fr. Pablo d’Ors, appointed by Pope Frances in July.
D’Ors is already speaking with parrhesia according to this report in Irish Times: “Vatican consultant ‘absolutely’ in favour of women priests.”
D’Ors told the Italian daily La Repubblica: “Am I in favor [of the ordination of women]? Absolutely, and I am not the only one. The reasoning which claims that women cannot become priests because Jesus was a man and because he chose only men [as his apostles] is very weak. That is a cultural consideration not a metaphysical one.”
Saying “the time is now ripe to travel down other roads”, d’Ors also said this “change is necessary” because to deny women the priesthood represents “an unacceptable discrimination.”
Readers have posted 383 comments, most of them “absolutely” in favor of womenpriests and excited that Pope Francis is apparently on their bandwagon. It is not surprising that the writer called him “Pope Frances“. The readers’ stupidity and ignorance (Hebrews 4:4) is represented by this contribution:
Priests are not necessary. We have made/allowed them to become ‘necessary.’ We need instruction/encouragement to become ”our own priests.” Jesus was not a priest. That should tell us something. –Karen M O’Connell
The same story on another liberal Catholic site:
Vatican consultant ‘absolutely’ in favor of women priests
November 7, 2014
It attracted 29 comments, most of who were in favor of womenpriests, but there were a couple of orthodox Catholic defenders there.
Bold, Brave and Brilliant: Fr Pablo d’Ors – in favor of women priests
The same story as in the Irish Times
Father d’Ors: “Let’s open the Church to women priests”
By Simonetta Fiore (English translation by Rebel Girl) Repubblica
November 7, 2014
MADRID – “Why did Pope Francis choose me? A mystery. He may have asked: Who is the most marginal priest in Madrid?” Pablo d’Ors bursts out laughing as he climbs the stairs in his home in the district of Tetuán, a kind of four-story tower that Montaigne would have liked. It’s here, between the floor of the library where d’Ors composes his novels and the chapel above where he says Mass, that another revolution of Bergoglio’s pontificate is maturing. So far it hasn’t been talked about much, not at all in fact. And to discover it you need to come find this outsider of letters and the priesthood who emanates a cheerful vitality.
Really unclassifiable, Father d’Ors. “A mystical, erotic and comic writer,” as he presents himself, revealing his vocation to paradox. His first beautiful stories in El Estreno [“Il Debutto” in Italian] make fun of world literature, recounting the exploits of a Slovakian lady who makes love to the greatest writers of the twentieth century. Surprising pages in which you can read reflections like, “Pessoa is the writer who slept the least in all of world literature.” Growing up in a cultured family — his grandfather was Eugenio d’Ors, a monument of Spanish culture — Pablo was always nourished on words, then moved to Biografía del Silencio [“Biography of silence”], a manifesto on meditation that became a publishing sensation in Spain (translated into Italian by Vita e Pensiero). No longer young, at age 27, after a life full of love, reading, and reckless traveling, he chose the priesthood — now at Ramón y Cajal Hospital, accompanying the terminally ill. This year he was named to the Pontifical Council for Culture chaired by Cardinal Ravasi, where in February he will bring his brick for the construction of a huge new building.
What task has been entrusted to you?
“I’m one of thirty advisers appointed worldwide. They have asked us to present a report on the role of women in the Church. Now the time is ripe to break new ground.”
Will opening the priesthood to women be discussed?
“I can not say that is apodictically so, but I think after the next plenary meeting there might be that approach.”
Are you in favor?
“Absolutely, and I’m not alone. That women can’t be priests because of the fact that Jesus was a man and that he chose only men, is a very weak argument. It’s a cultural reason, not a metaphysical one.”
What would women bring?
“Life. And so much richness. The change is necessary because it is unacceptable discrimination. To prepare for my task, I have spoken with many women from different social and cultural backgrounds, Christian and non-Christian. With one exception, all have shown themselves in favor.”
Is there still a lot of resistance?
“Yes, not only in the Curia but also at the grassroots. Novelty is always scary. On the other hand, an important criterion for measuring the spiritual vitality of a person is his willingness to change. Resisting life is a shame because life is continuous progress.”
Is this also true for the Church?
“Especially for the Church.”
What kind of a priest are you?
“I’m a happy priest. I’ve heard an inner voice. And when you live life as a response to a vocation, you feel happiness. That doesn’t mean there haven’t been difficult moments.”
The fact of having lived a lot before taking your vows…
“…I’m still living intensely.”
Yes, but does the fact of having had many love affairs make you a better priest?
“Knowing human love makes you know divine love better. Today I can say that it helped me, but at the time I was experiencing it, I had the impression it was bad for me. You have to have time to process the experience.”
Your relationship with the Vatican hierarchy hasn’t always been peaceful.
“Are you referring to Antonio Maria Rouco Varela, the former [arch]bishop of Madrid? We had two very different ways of understanding the Christian presence in the world. I could summarize it in two words: alternative or dialogue. Alternative leads you to a closed view of Christianity, separate from a world seen as a sentinel of all vices. Dialogue means also recognizing beauty and good in the world. So I don’t impose my absolute truth on you but I invite you to get into a dialogue with me to find the truth together. Francis is a true pontiff because he creates bridges around himself.”
Today you’re working at Ramón y Cajal Hospital. How do you accompany a dying person?
“By really listening to what they’re saying, without judging intellectually or becoming emotionally charged. Listening is enough, forgetting oneself, which is the hardest thing.”
You’ve said that dying as a Christian doesn’t involve any less anguish than dying as a secular person.
“Wait a minute. If you’re really a believer, it helps you. It doesn’t help you when you’re a Christian in name only but not in your heart.”
But you can live a good life without God?
“Of course you can live without a God. You can’t live well without contact with the source of fullness, whether you call it God, being or life. People like Einstein and Rousseau were not believers, but were capable of very deep spiritual experiences.”
Why do you write novels? Were you thinking of yourself when you made Pessoa say “I don’t write what I think but I write to think”?
“One naively believes that writing serves to communicate, but this would mean that I already know what I have to say. In fact, writing is a revelation in that it reveals to you what you need to write. It is not a merely intellectual act, but deeper, more visceral I would say.”
But why have you joined the call for silence? Isn’t there a paradoxical aspect, an oxymoron, to writing a biography of silence?
“Only in appearance. Words and silence are two sides of the same coin. Real words, those that have the ability to touch others, are born from silence, that intimacy with yourself. And they call for silence because the best thing, when you read a book, is the need to recreate what you’ve read yourself. Deep down, literature is an invitation to be silent.”
Silence as the only possible ethic. You make Thomas Bernhard say it.
“Yes, for me it was essential. Bernhard is to theorize that everything is a citation. Literature is born from literature. Even my novels are born in the margins of others’ books.”
You call yourself an erotic, mystical and comic writer. But what binds these very different things together?
“Irony is the style, mysticism and eroticism are the contents. Both mysticism and eros seek unity — reuniting the separation in the union of spirit and body. As for the lightness, it is what generates the reader’s joy.”
Speaking of lightness, in Il debutto you take apart Kundera and many others. Great writers, but little men.
“Irony also has a liberating function. Nearly a statement of principle: here are my teachers, but I will not be crushed under those beasts of literature.”
But why introduce the corporal theme — the Slovak organizer who lets herself be possessed by all the great intellectuals?
“I wanted to show deception. We fancy ourselves that we own books and people. But, since you can not master all the literature, the easier thing is to get the bodies of the writers.”
Your recurring criticism towards writers is that they prefer writing to life.
“For many, literature is a vicarious way of experiencing reality. But I think that everyone should make a work of art not only of writing, but also of his own life. Thomas Mann understood this very well. Proust and Kafka, by contrast, sacrificed their lives to literature.”
Primum vivere. But wouldn’t priests live better with a woman at their side?
“The time is ripe for this change too, but that’s just my personal opinion. And in the Pontifical Council, no, we will not be talking about this.”
Bergoglio’s Personal Consultant Wants Priestesses
November 8, 2014
Spaced-out Modernist Pablo d’Ors, Francis-Bergoglio’s Personal Consultant Is Recommending to Bergoglio the Installation of Priestesses.
Pablo d’Ors Called Our Lord Jesus Christ’s Divine Decision not to Select Women for the Priesthood to be “an Unacceptable Discrimination”.
Not Only Is Christ a “Bigot,” but All Those Who Are Opposed to Priestesses Are “Sinners” in the Eyes of This Personal Consultant of Bergoglio’s.
Is Francis-Bergoglio planning to force the admission of priestesses into his Newchurch of the New Order, in the same way in which he connived to force the admission of homosexuals into his Newchurch? Even when his Extraordinary Synod on the Family wouldn’t buy Bergoglio’s anti-Christian pro-“gay” doctrine, Bergoglio ordered the failed paragraph to be reinserted into the Synod’s final report.
Spanish modernist Pablo d’Ors, whom Bergoglio’s appointed to his Pontifical Council for Culture, yesterday revealed to the Italian daily La Repubblica that he was “absolutely” in favor of opening up the Novus Ordo presbyterate to priestesses, that is, prebyteresses or ministresses. Of course, priestesses are Biblically and Traditionally condemned as Pagan in the Catholic Church. d’Ors went on to say that several other Bergoglio appointees wanted priestesses. Bergoglio’s Council has determined to focus its February 2015 session in Newrome on “women’s issues,” including the condemnation of priestesses.
d’Ors got off onto a New Order roll when he called Our Lord Jesus Christ’s divine decision not to select women for the priesthood to be “an unacceptable discrimination” and that those who were opposed to priestesses were “sinners.” It is truly blasphemous how these delusional Newchurch modernists like d’Ors, set themselves up as God to overrule Jesus Christ, True God and Second Person of the Most Blessed Trinity.
Even Vatican II NewChurch got this right…
The Roman Catholic Church doctrine on the ordination of women, as expressed in canon law and is that: “Only a baptized man (in Latin, vir) validly receives sacred ordination.” The Church teaches that this requirement is a matter of divine law, and thus doctrinal.
Some supporters of women’s ordination have asserted that there have been ordained female priests and bishops in antiquity. The church’s position is that, although “a few heretical sects in the first centuries, especially Gnostic ones, entrusted the exercise of the priestly ministry to women: this innovation was immediately noted and condemned by the Fathers who considered it as unacceptable in the Church.” In response some supporters of women’s ordination argue those sects were not heretical but orthodox.
There is evidence that women were ordained by some groups within the Christian community. For example, Pope Gelasius I apparently condemned the practice of women officiating at altars; inscriptions near Tropea in Calabria refer to “presbytera”, which could be interpreted as a woman priest or as a wife of a male priest. Furthermore, a sarcophagus from Dalmatia is inscribed with the date 425 and records that a grave in the Salona burial-ground was bought from presbytera Flavia Vitalia: selling burial plots was at one time a duty of presbyters. There have been some 15 records so far found of women being ordained in antiquity by Christians; the church, as noted, states those ordinations were by heretical groups. The Vatican II sect is very much gnostic and heretical so it should not surprise anyone.
In 1976, the Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith issued the Declaration on the Question of the Admission of Women to the Ministerial Priesthood which taught that for doctrinal, theological, and historical reasons, the Church “… does not consider herself authorized to admit women to priestly ordination.” Reasons given were the Church’s determination to remain faithful to its constant tradition, its fidelity to Christ’s will, and the iconic value of male representation due to the “sacramental nature” of the priesthood.
In April 1976, the Pontifical Biblical Commission released a study examining the exclusion of women from the ministerial priesthood from a biblical perspective: “The masculine character of the hierarchical order which has structured the church since its beginning … seems attested to by scripture in an undeniable way.” “As a matter of fact, we see in the Acts of the Apostles and the epistles that the first [Christian] communities were always directed by men exercising the apostolic power.” However, in the conclusion of the document, they write:
“It does not seem that the New Testament by itself alone will permit us to settle in a clear way and once and for all the problem of the possible accession of women to the presbyterate.
These modernists run under the Marxist/Masonic banner of “absolute equality” and soon all religions will be united as the diabolical plot to overthrow the Dogma of Faith commences.
In 1994, Pope John Paul II declared in his letter
Ordinatio Sacerdotalis, stating: “Wherefore, in order that all doubt may be removed regarding a matter of great importance… I declare that the Church has no authority whatsoever to confer priestly ordination on women and that this judgment is to be definitively held by all the Church’s faithful.”
Does Pope Francis’ Consultor desire women priests?
The “Erotic Buddhist” whom Pope Francis appointed as Consultor
(Rome) The Pontifical Council for Culture is preparing an “opening” towards women priests? Pablo d’Ors, appointed papal Consultor of the Council for Culture since July 1st, is convinced of a realignment. “While orthodox Church representatives are being kicked out from the Vatican, heretics are being brought in,” said Messa in Latino about the Spanish priest, novelist and “Zen Buddhist” and his interview in the daily newspaper La Repubblica.
For the rest of this putrid information you can click to read it and weep here.
Pontifical Council for Culture Supports Women Priests? — The “Erotic Buddhist”, Whom Francis Appointed as Consultor
November 10, 2014
6 out of 24 comments
-He was called to be an advisor because he is a longtime public opponent of the Faith and morals.
–Beautifully put, Lynda.
–Diabolic disorientation and no Catholic Faith, signs for sure that most of this present hierarchy and clergy have gone to the devil. This is clearly what is happening. We are generally speaking a flock without a shepherd. We are on or own.
I was told recently by a long-time Catholic friend that I was risking and in great danger of being outside the Church because I don’t go along with everything Pope Francis says. This is a good guy, father of a young family, not a liberal on morality etc. Every day gets worse and worse…Christian culture is now officially dead in Europe as these churchmen including Pope Francis have contributed to its demise by their neglect in defending perennial Catholic and thus Divine teaching on morals and life… My heart sinks at what awaits us. If it weren’t for prayer and the Rosary …and knowing what is true…it would be very easy to fall into depression… But – Long live Christ the King! And His Most Glorious Mother.
–It’s pretty clear the kind of ‘lifestyle’ this priest follows. The Bishop of Rome seems intent on rooting around the garbage bins of the Church to their very depths in order to surround himself with the most noxious trash.
-Pope Francis is destroying the Church.
-I find it ironic that a Claretian priest is putting forward the notion of women priests, when the found of his order, St Anthony Mary Claret, was granted the consolation of carrying the uncorrupted Blessed Sacrament in his breast from Communion to Communion. Not only that, Our Lady gave baby Jesus to him to hold. The miracles surrounding this priest are amazing. Bodily healings, ability to read souls and a passion to preach the whole Truth and a thirst for souls. St Anthony Mary Claret must be in tears in heaven. I suppose it is ridiculous for me to posit the question as to why this priest, Pablo d’Ors, hasn’t been reigned in by his order yet.
How on the earth have these types of clerics find their way to Bergoglio?
The corruptors of souls are the great strength of the demon
November 13, 2014
[… Repeat of information already reproduced from other sites]
It was Father Livio Fanzaga, the famed Radio Priest, who warned that, “The corruptors of souls are the great strength of the demon. In the contemporary world, they occupy very significant and visible positions in various fields such as culture, science, politics or economics, including the realm of the mass media. They have learned the vernacular of flattery and lies from their teacher. Despising truth and exalting error, they disparage good and virtue while exalting evil and vice. They are the faithful servants of Satan, and they will go with him to his kingdom of death in recompense.
Watch out for such people, even if they are very close to you and united to you by bonds of affection. You show your worthiness as a human being by saying no to evil, even if the one who proposes it is most dear to you. If Adam had said no to Eve, he would have undoubtedly saved himself and perhaps even her.
No human respect, no bond of friendship, no reason of human nature, nor any interest must ever cause you stay with anyone who proposes evil. It is much better to lose a friend or family member than to lose God for all of eternity.”
Our Lady told Fr. Stefano Gobbi of the Marian Movement of Priests:
“I am weeping because the Church is continuing along the road of division, of loss of the true faith, of apostasy and of errors which are being spread more and more without anyone offering opposition to them. Even now, that which I predicted at Fatima and that which I have revealed here in the third message confided to a little daughter of mine (i.e. Sister Lucia) is in the process of being accomplished. And so, even for the Church the moment of its great trial has come, because the man of iniquity will establish himself within it and the abomination of desolation will enter into the holy temple of God.” (To the Priests, Our Lady’s Beloved Sons, No. 362, September 15, 1987, p. 572.)
“The black beast like a leopard indicates Freemasonry; the beast with the two horns like a lamb indicates Freemasonry infiltrated into the interior of the Church, that is to say, ecclesiastical Masonry, which has spread especially among the members of the hierarchy. This Masonic infiltration, in the interior of the Church, was already foretold to you by me at Fatima, when I announced to you that Satan would enter in even to the summit of the Church. If the task of Masonry is to lead souls to perdition, bringing them to the worship of false divinities, the task of ecclesiastical Masonry on the other hand is that of destroying Christ and his Church, building a new idol, namely a false christ and a false church.” (To the Priests, Our Lady’s Beloved Sons, No. 406, June 13, 1989, p. 649)
The false church Our Lady refers to was also foretold by Anne Catherine Emmerich (1774-1824), a German Augustinian nun, stigmatist, and miracle-worker, who subsisted entirely on water and Holy Communion for many years. Venerable Emmerich received numerous visions of the future crisis in the Church and the infiltration of the Masons. In her visions, she describes men in aprons destroying the Church with a trowel, The Masons wear aprons and their symbol is the Mason’s trowel.
The following excerpts are from page 565 of the Life of Anne Catherine Emmerich, Vol. 1, by Rev. K.E. Schmöger, Tan Books, 1976:
“I saw St. Peter’s. A great crowd of men was trying to pull it down whilst others constantly built it up again. Lines connected these men one with another and with others throughout the whole world. I was amazed at their perfect understanding.
“The demolishers, mostly apostates and members of different sects, broke off whole pieces and worked according to rules and instructions. They wore WHITE APRONS bound with blue riband. In them were pockets and they had TROWELS stuck in their belts. The costumes of the others were various.
“There were among the demolishers distinguished men wearing uniforms and crosses. They did not work themselves but they marked out on the wall with a TROWEL where and how it should be torn down. To my horror, I saw among them Catholic Priests. Whenever the workmen did not know how to go on, they went to a certain one in their party. He had a large book which seemed to contain the whole plan of the building and the way to destroy it. They marked out exactly with a TROWEL the parts to be attacked, and they soon came down. They worked quietly and confidently, but slyly, furtively and warily. I saw the Pope praying, surrounded by false friends who often did the very opposite to what he had ordered…”
Make of your home a spiritual fortress. Pray every day to the Immaculata to protect your faith. Have nothing to do with those who advance “another gospel” (Galatians 1).
These are dangerous times for the Church.
Women’s Cultures: Equality and Difference (from Vatican’s Pontifical Council of Culture web site)
This February 2015 Plenary Assembly looks at women’s cultures: equality and difference.
The theme has been chosen by Cardinal Ravasi. Access is limited to the members and consultors of the Pontifical Council. There will, however, be a Public Opening Event, and a consultation exercise has already begun identifying the following key areas:
generativity, rights, poor and invisible women, women’s spirituality, equality and reciprocity, power and service, insights and vision, biology, women in the Church.
Details will be announced at a press conference in due course.
On Pope Francis, see
QUO VADIS PAPA FRANCISCO 01-WASHING THE FEET OF WOMEN ON MAUNDY THURSDAY 28/29 MARCH/4/9/15 APRIL/17 MAY 2013
QUO VADIS PAPA FRANCISCO 02-MEDJUGORJE 7 APRIL/JUNE/NOVEMBER 2013/18 JULY 2014
QUO VADIS PAPA FRANCISCO 03-HOMOSEXUALITY THE SEX ABUSE CRISIS AND THE GAY LOBBY
QUO VADIS PAPA FRANCISCO 04-COMPROMISED BY NEW AGE ALTERNATIVE MEDICINE?
NOVEMBER 2013/4 JULY/24 AUGUST 2014
QUO VADIS PAPA FRANCISCO 05-BAPTISM OF ALIENS 21 MAY 2014
QUO VADIS PAPA FRANCISCO 06-ENDORSEMENT OF A NEW AGE HEALER FROM INDIA?
JULY/24 AUGUST 2014
IS POPE FRANCIS UNDERGOING TREATMENT WITH NEW AGE ALTERNATIVE THERAPIES?
6/19 JULY 2014
On WomenPriests, see
NEW COMMUNITY BIBLE 15-DEMAND FOR ORDINATION OF WOMEN PRIESTS-FR SUBHASH ANAND AND OTHERS
APRIL 2010/JULY 2010/APRIL 2012/17 MARCH/10 APRIL 2013
VIRGINIA SALDANHA-ECCLESIA OF WOMEN IN ASIA AND CATHERINE OF SIENA VIRTUAL COLLEGE-FEMINIST THEOLOGY AND THE ORDINATION OF WOMEN PRIESTS
MARCH/APRIL/MAY 2012/APRIL 2013
VIRGINIA SALDANHA-WOMENPRIESTS INFILTRATES THE INDIAN CHURCH-CATHERINE OF SIENA VIRTUAL COLLEGE
WOMEN PRIESTS-THE NCR-UCAN-EWA NEXUS
JANUARY 24/31, 2013
ARCHBISHOP OF DELHI SUPPORTS WOMEN’S ORDINATION 2/7 FEBRUARY 2013
UCAN WANTS TO DO AWAY WITH THE PRIESTHOOD
13/25 FEBRUARY 2013
UCAN CONFIRMS IT FAVOURS WOMEN PRIESTS
15 FEBRUARY 2013
UCAN CONFIRMS IT FAVOURS WOMEN PRIESTS-02
16 FEBRUARY 2013
RADICAL FEMINISM AND THE ORDINATION OF WOMEN
UCAN CONFIRMS IT FAVOURS WOMEN PRIESTS-03
25 JUNE 2013
WHAT’S VIRGINIA SALDANHA DOING WITH “NUNS ON THE BUS”?
22 JULY 2013
EXCOMMUNICATED WOMAN PRIEST MINISTERS IN BENEDICTINE MONASTERY
15 NOVEMBER 2014
Categories: Eastern Meditation, new age, Ordination of Women Priests Movement in India
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