Veronica Lueken – “Our Lady of the Roses”

 


JUNE 3, 2013

Veronica Lueken – “Our Lady of the Roses”

Sound Familiar? Take Two

http://www.emmitsburg.net/cult_watch/sf/sf2.htm

By Flagrante Delicto

As we noted in the article Fool me once, shame on you…*, our research of Mary apparitions has revealed that that the claiming of messages from Mary, as the pretended Prophetess Gianna Sullivan is doing, is hardly original and is apparently big business!  We save a discussion of the fact that this is Gianna’s second time around at claiming Mary apparitions for a later article. Suffice it to say, the Church investigation of her first go around, in Scottsdale Arizona, resulted in the same conclusion as that reached here in Emmitsburg, and that reached in the church’s investigation of Veronica Lueken, detailed below. *See page 3

One can’t help but read the following text and draw a one-to-one comparison between the two cults … even the propaganda machines of the two cults are almost mirror images of each other.  In the case of the Our Lady of Emmitsburg cult, the Foundation of The center of the Immaculate Heart beats the Gianna drum every few days, spewing out dribble from the pretend prophetess intermixed with quotes from the bible and church authorities to give her messages the air of legitimacy.

 

Bayside, New York Marian Cult

Veronica Lueken (July 12, 1923 – August 3, 1995) was a Roman Catholic housewife who lived in Bayside, New York. From 1970 until her death, she reported to experience apparitions of the Virgin Mary and numerous Catholic saints. She gave messages from them at both Saint Robert Bellarmine Catholic Church in Bayside, and at the Vatican Pavilion in Flushing Meadows Park (site of the 1964 New York World’s Fair).

Bishop Francis Mugavero, then Bishop of the Roman Catholic Diocese of Brooklyn, stated in 1986 that “a thorough investigation revealed that the alleged visions of Bayside completely lacked authenticity” and that “the messages and other related propaganda contain statements which, among other things, are contrary to the teachings of the Catholic Church.” [1] [edit] History of the Bayside Marian Apparition

In 1968, Lueken (pronounced LEW-KEN) reported experiencing her first manifestation when she smelled a perfume of roses in her car while praying for the dying Robert Kennedy in June 1968. She claimed that Saint Theresa of Lisieux appeared to her and dictated sacred poem-messages.

Mrs. Lueken reported her first Marian vision in her home on April 7, 1970. The Virgin Mary was reportedly informing her that she would appear on the grounds of the old St. Robert Bellarmine Church in Bayside on June 18, 1970, and subsequently, on all great feast days of the Catholic Church. From that day, Mrs. Lueken reported a series of Marian apparitions on the property of St Robert Bellarmine’s Roman Catholic Church at Bayside. According to her report, Mary asked her to establish a Marian shrine at the site on April 7, 1970, and to hold Rosary Vigils of reparation and also Sunday holy hours of reparation for the Pope and priests. Mrs. Lueken began to type up and circulate her prophecies, many of which had apocalyptic content.

Overwhelmed by the influx of an estimated five hundred to two thousand Marian devotees, the parish ministers fenced off the church precincts in December 1974. In 1975, Monsignor James King, Chancellor of the Brooklyn Diocese, announced that the diocese did not believe in Veronica’s apparitions.

Click here to hear audio recordings or read her vision transcriptions … sound familiar to what comes out of the Our Lady of Emmitsburg cult?

Click here to see photos of Mrs. Lueken in ecstasy … looks familiar to Gianna Sullivan?

Undeterred by official church rejection, Lueken and her followers then assembled on a traffic island near the site of the alleged visitation (1974/75), until they negotiated a permanent site of worship at Flushing Meadows, former site of the 1964-65 New York World’s Fair. The Rosary Vigils and Holy Hours continue here till this day.

Click here to see pictures of these prayer services

Since Lueken described her experiences, other unrecognized Marian apparitions have occurred in Lubbock, Texas (1988-1989) and Conyers, Georgia (1989), and have incorporated similar apocalyptic motifs in their messages.

 

 

 

Status of the Bayside Apparitions

Organizations Spreading the Message

Several Traditionalist Catholic clerics upheld what Lueken had to say. Lueken was told over twenty times in the messages that all prophecy is conditional and does not have to happen [2]

These Last Days Ministries

Among the first websites to appear in support and to promote Mrs. Lueken’s messages was These Last Days Ministries [3], which had a weekly radio show promoting the messages. The TLDM website contains most of the messages given to Veronica Lueken in audio as well as text. It is updated daily with articles that tie world events to prophecies given to her. These Last Days Ministries in located in Lowell, Michigan and run by Gary Wohlscheid.

St. Michael’s World Apostolate

St Michael’s World Apostolate (SMWA) is the official organization in charge of the Bayside Mission. It is staffed full-time by the lay Order of St. Michael, a Roman Catholic community of celibate lay men who have dedicated their lives to the promotion of the Messages from Heaven to Veronica Lueken. The lay Order presently consists of seven men: Michael Mangan, James Donohue, William Dykes, Peter Frank, John Benevides, Darryl Bolisay and Luis Camacho. On their website [4] is listed most of the messages of the Virgin Mary to Veronica Lueken, the live-audio recorded messages from Heaven to Veronica Lueken, photos of Mrs. Lueken in ecstasy, and audio-streaming of the Rosary Vigils and Holy hours presently held at the Vatican Pavilion site in Flushing Meadows Park, New York. Their website is updated daily. They have an active online radio program, St. Michael’s Radio.

 

DECLARATION CONCERNING THE “BAYSIDE MOVEMENT”

November 4, 1986 Letter of Bishop John Mugavero of Brooklyn

In recent months, doubts have been raised by members of the so-called “Bayside Movement” concerning the official position of the Diocese of Brooklyn on the alleged “apparitions” of the Blessed Virgin Mary, and other heavenly beings, to a woman by the name of Veronica Lueken.

Moreover, erroneous claims have been made by a number of followers of Mrs. Lueken concerning the legitimacy of their position, in order to justify their activities on behalf of the “Movement.” These have taken the form of statements in their publications that “since Articles 1399 and 2218 of (the 1917 Code of) Canon Law were abrogated by Pope Paul VI in 1966, no ecclesiastical permission is required, neither can anyone incur censure, for the publication or dissemination of information dealing with revelations, visions or miracles, provided these do not endanger Faith or morals.”

As a result of the above-mentioned doubts and claims, a number of Christ’s faithful continue to attend the regularly-scheduled “vigils” held at Flushing Meadow Park, and to disseminate or receive propaganda literature on this matter.

I, the undersigned Diocesan Bishop of Brooklyn, in my role as the legitimate shepherd of this particular Church, wish to confirm the constant position of the Diocese of Brooklyn that a thorough investigation revealed that the alleged “visions of Bayside” completely lacked authenticity.

Moreover, in view of the confusion created by published reports of messages and other literature by this “Movement,” I consider it my obligation to offer Christ’s faithful pastoral guidance, lest their faith be endangered by “messages” and “teachings” relayed by “visionaries,” which are contrary to the Faith of our Catholic Church.

Therefore, in consultation with the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, I hereby declare that:

1. No credibility can be given to the so-called “apparitions” reported by Veronica Lueken and her followers.
2. The “messages” and other related propaganda contain statements which, among other things, are contrary to the teachings of the Catholic Church, undermine the legitimate authority of bishops and councils and instill doubts in the minds of the faithful, for example, by claiming that, for years, an “imposter (sic) Pope” governed the Catholic Church in place of Paul VI.
3. Those who persistently maintain that “no ecclesiastical permission is required for the publication or dissemination” of information concerning “revelations, visions or miracles,” are erroneously interpreting the directives of the Holy See when they attempt to justify the publication of the propaganda literature on the “Bayside Messages.”
In view of my declaration concerning the authenticity of the “visions of Bayside,” the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith has confirmed that the principles governing the publication of such religious material still maintain authoritative moral value prohibiting the endangering of faith and good morals (Cf. Response of SCDF of June 14, 1966, in AAS 58, 1186).
As a result, those publishing or disseminating this propaganda literature are acting against the judgment of legitimate Church authority.
4. Because of my concern for their spiritual welfare, members of Christ’s faithful are hereby directed to refrain from participating in the “vigils” and from disseminating any propaganda related to the “Bayside apparitions.” They are also discouraged from reading any such literature.
5. Anyone promoting this devotion in any way, be it by participating in the “vigils,” organizing pilgrimages, publishing or disseminating the literature related to it, is contributing to the confusion which is being created in the faith of God’s people, as well as encouraging them to act against the determinations made by the legitimate pastor of this particular Church (c.212, para. 1).

It remains my constant hope that all the faithful spend their time and energies in promoting devotion to our Blessed Lady, in the many forms which have been approved by the Catholic Church.

(Signed): Bishop John Mugavero, Bishop of Brooklyn

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*Fool me once, shame on you…

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By Flagrante Delicto

 


 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We find it interesting that most of the defensive e-mails we receive regarding our on-going series on the ‘Our Lady of Emmitsburg Doomsday Cult‘ are predicated on the apparitions of Medjugorje. In other words, because Mary supposedly appeared in Yugoslavia, why not in Emmitsburg?

We were intrigued by this logic and did a search of the Internet to see if others were also claiming Mary apparitions. What we discovered was that claiming of messages from Mary is hardly original and is apparently big business!

The Miracle Hunter website offers an extensive list of Vatican unapproved twentieth century Marian apparitions. 

If you visit this web site you’ll note that the Catholic Church has not ruled on the majority of the 476 reported apparitions.  The existence of supernaturality has been disproven (meaning nothing heavenly is taking place) so far in 68 cases, include Gianna Talone Sullivan‘s supposed apparitions in both Scottsdale, Arizona and in Emmitsburg.

On June 3, 2008, Cathnews.com reported that:

Former Vatican exorcist Bishop Andrea Gemma has denounced alleged visions of Our Lady in the Bosnian town of Medjugorje as the “work of the devil” and a “diabolical deceit”.
The UK Daily Mail reports that the Vatican has rejected claims made by the six Bosnian ‘seers’ that they have seen the Virgin Mary more than 40,000 times over the past 27 years.

Bishop Andrea Gemma, 77, once the Vatican’s top exorcist, told a magazine in Italy: “In Medjugorje everything happens in function of money: Pilgrimages, lodging houses, sale of trinkets.  This whole sham is the work of the Devil. It is a scandal.”
He predicted that the Vatican would soon crack down on the group.
The Medjugorje phenomenon began on June 25, 1981, when six children told a priest they had seen the Virgin on a hillside near their town. Some of the children also claim to have received ten secrets from Our Lady.
A church investigation dismissed the vision, and the Vatican banned pilgrimages to the site in 1985. But many Catholics ignored the ban.
Today, the seers own smart houses with security gates and tennis courts and expensive cars. One is married to a former US beauty queen.

In discussing the Our Lady of Emmitsburg Doomsday cult with a Jesuit theologian, he remarked that it sounded remarkably like the Bayside Marian Apparition cult.

 

Bayside Marian Apparition Cult

Veronica Lueken was a Roman Catholic housewife who lived in Bayside, New York. From 1970 until her death, she reported to experience apparitions of the Virgin Mary and numerous Catholic saints. She gave messages from them at both Saint Robert Bellarmine Catholic Church in Bayside, and at the Vatican Pavilion in Flushing Meadows Park (site of the 1964 New York World’s Fair).

In 1968, Lueken reported experiencing her first manifestation when she smelled a perfume of roses in her car while praying for the dying Robert Kennedy in June 1968. She claimed that Saint Theresa of Lisieux appeared to her and dictated sacred poem-messages.

Mrs. Lueken reported her first Marian vision in her home on April 7, 1970. The Virgin Mary was reportedly informing her that she would appear on the grounds of the old St. Robert Bellarmine Church in Bayside on June 18, 1970, and subsequently, on all great feast days of the Catholic Church. From that day, Mrs. Lueken reported a series of Marian apparitions on the property of St Robert Bellarmine’s Roman Catholic Church at Bayside. According to her report, Mary asked her to establish a Marian shrine at the site on April 7, 1970, and to hold Rosary Vigils of reparation and also Sunday holy hours of reparation for the Pope and priests. Mrs. Lueken began to type up and circulate her prophecies, many of which had apocalyptic content.

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Overwhelmed by the influx of an estimated five hundred to two thousand Marian devotees, the parish ministers fenced off the church precincts in December 1974. In 1975, Monsignor James King, Chancellor of the Brooklyn Diocese, announced that the diocese did not believe in Veronica’s apparitions.

Meanwhile, Lueken elaborated on her reported visions. Apart from the Virgin Mary and the aforementioned Saint Therese of Lisieux, she also said she received visitations from Saint Joseph, Saint Paul, Saint John the Evangelist, Saint Theresa of Avila, Saint Thomas Aquinas, Saint Bernadette Soubirous and Saint Robert Bellarmine, amongst others. The Archangel Michael and the Archangel Gabriel were also said to have appeared to her.

One characteristic in support of Mrs. Lueken’s testimony was that of ecstasy, a high state of prayer and contemplation experienced by many saints in the Church. Most of the public apparitions occurred during the Rosary Vigils. During these Vigils Mrs. Lueken would fall into ecstasy where she would then see the Virgin Mary and other heavenly personages. Her exterior modesty and expression would take on characteristics reflecting ecstasy (which was witnessed countless times by devotees in her presence). Her eyes would never blink during the time of ecstasy. She would describe the vision given her and repeat what she heard. Almost all of the ecstasies were recorded live on audio tape in the presence of hundreds of pilgrims. From March 1989 until Veronica’s death in 1995, Mr. Michael Mangan held the microphone and audio record all of Veronica’s ecstasies in her presence during the Rosary Vigils at the sacred grounds.

At some point, Mrs. Lueken predicted, the authenticity of her visions would be recognized, and there would be a basilica church built on the site of her first visions at Bayside, as well as the appearance of a healing spring, and the area would become the venue of a national Marian shrine in the United States.

According to various Catholic sources, the Bayside visitations do not fulfill criteria that would qualify the alleged events as legitimate Marian apparitions and so are unrecognized.

On November 4, 198, the Diocesan Bishop of Brooklyn, Bishop Francis Mugavero, made the following declaration on November 4, 1986: [1]

I, the undersigned Diocesan Bishop of Brooklyn, in my role as the legitimate shepherd of this particular Church, wish to confirm the constant position of the Diocese of Brooklyn that a thorough investigation revealed that the alleged “visions of Bayside” completely lacked authenticity.

…Therefore, in consultation with the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, I hereby declare that:

1. No credibility can be given to the so-called “apparitions” reported by Veronica Lueken and her followers.

2. The “messages” and other related propaganda contain statements which, among other things, are contrary to the teachings of the Catholic Church, undermine the legitimate authority of bishops and councils and instill doubts in the minds of the faithful, for example, by claiming that, for years, an “imposter (sic) Pope” governed the Catholic Church in place of Paul VI.

In doing further research on Marian Apparition cults we also discovered another striking resemblance of ‘Our Lady of Emmitsburg Cult’ to a cult started in 1989 in Kettle River, Minnesota. 

 

Kettle River Marian Apparition Cult

The following article on the Catholic web site Renewamerica.com provides a brief overview of the Kettle River cult:

From a Minneapolis Star Tribune story, dated May 30, 1993, by staff writer Larry Oakes:

“When 3,500 pilgrims gathered to see if the Virgin Mary would appear in Kettle River, Minn., on Easter, the man who had summoned them was half a world away.

Stephen Marino, whose purported messages from Mary had launched big plans for Kettle River, was on a pilgrimage of his own, to a shrine in the village of Medjugorje in Bosnia-Herzegovina.

Why would Marino travel to a distant war zone when, by his own prediction, Mary was to appear in his own back yard?

In the answer to that question lies the real story behind Kettle River. It’s about how Marino and partner Earl Nett got involved in a worldwide movement built around purported apparitions of Mary in Medjugorje, and how they tried to use that movement’s power and money to make Kettle River a major Marian shrine.

There was no Easter apparition in Kettle River, a town of 193 people 40 miles southwest of Duluth. The cross has been removed from the field where pilgrims gathered. Marino and Nett have withdrawn a request to build a 10,000-seat chapel and a seven-story, cross-shaped hotel. They’ve pledged to obey a church directive to dissolve their corporation.

As a boy, Marino wasn’t particularly devout, and quit attending church as a teenager. At 19, he married Thelma Rikala, a college student from Duluth. They had three children and divorced after five years. ‘We really didn’t get along,’ he said in Tulsa. ‘I had no regard for the rules and traditions of the Catholic faith at that point. . . . During the ensuing years, I sought after . . . power, money, possessions, fancy cars and homes.’

Troubled by the Duluth experience, he sought comfort in the Bible, confessed his sins and took communion for the first time in 20 years. Determined to get right with God, he divorced Earlene, his wife of 13 years, sought an annulment, and reconciled with Thelma, who was living with their children in Green Bay, Wis. Friends and family members said he had changed; he no longer cared about material wealth.

But Marino was not destined for a life of quiet devotion. After a few years, while living in Green Bay, he began to confide to old friends and family members that he’d been selected for a divine mission.

‘My last contact from him was a booklet he sent me two or three years ago, in which a character named Steve was receiving messages from the Virgin Mary,’ said his old friend Drips in Iowa. ‘I then realized he was talking about himself. I thought he’d gone crazy.’

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Sometime after that first pilgrimage, Marino reported hearing messages from Mary. Marino eventually published more than 300 of the messages, dated from March 1991 to January 1992, in five volumes entitled: “My Dear Children, Please Come Home!’

Meanwhile, [Earl Nett and his wife Linda] were taking their message from Medjugorje to heart. In 1990, in part to make family prayer easier, they bought a small farm outside Kettle River. But soon they wanted something more; they began discussing ways of using the farm to glorify God.

Through connections the Netts made after their Medjugorje pilgrimage, they proposed that Kettle River become an American cell of the Oasis of Peace, a prayer community of 60 members in Italy and Medjugorje, which was created by lay and clerical devotees of the Medjugorje messages.

At first their former pastor, the Rev. Thomas Foster, was involved. But he grew skeptical. He also noted a curious coincidence: ‘In late 1991, when Earl and Linda began talking about {Christian} hospitality on their farm, Kettle River started appearing in Steve’s messages,’ said Foster.

Until then, St. Agnes parish in Green Bay had received Mary’s favor in Marino’s messages. In the Aug. 14, 1991, message she says that ‘soon St. Agnes will become a center for spiritual activity that will not be duplicated anywhere in the Upper Midwest.’

But by Sept. 4, Mary apparently changed her mind and asked that a chapel and housing complex be built at Kettle River and that it include ‘facilities to feed and clothe those weary, wretched souls I will bring you . . . as they pass on to spread the news of this oasis of peace.’

That day she also reportedly dropped her bombshell: ‘I will be appearing at the site where I want the chapel built.’ The Easter apparition was foretold.

Marino and Nett formed the Messages from Mary/Mary’s Guest House Corporation, with Nett as its president, and the Virgin Mary as chairman of the board. As donations poured in, the corporation bought hundreds of acres of land.

These events prompted the Duluth Diocese to investigate, and in March 1992, it politely but firmly said it didn’t believe the messages were supernatural. It advised Catholics to stay away from Kettle River. Since Easter, diocesan officials have refused to comment.

But even before the diocese ruled, Foster had become increasingly uncomfortable. He didn’t believe, for example, that Mary would advocate reading her messages instead of the Catholic liturgy at services, as Marino recommended. He didn’t like the way Marino and Nett grew defensive when natural doubts were raised. ‘Eventually, I drew back from Kettle River,’ Foster said. ‘It went from a place of hospitality and refuge to a place of escape.’

The similarities between all three cults are striking, especially the similarities between the Kettle River Cult and the ‘Our lady of Emmitsburg Cult’.  Starting with the fact that the leaders of both cults, claimed to have received messages from Mary after visiting Medjugorje – which as we noted above, the church has ruled as non-supernaturality, meaning what appears to be supernatural is the result of human manipulation for the purpose of fame and wealth.
Hmm … can you say ‘follow the money?’

Second, both cult leaders claim to have received an unusually large number of messages from Mary.  More then 300 to the Kettle River Cult Leader and God only knows what the latest number is claimed for the Our Lady of Emmitsburg Cult…

Third, both leaders, while claiming to have received messages from Mary on the sanctity of marriage, were divorced – a pertinent fact missing from every saintly depicted biography on Gianna. We find it humorous that one of the web sites dedicated to her goes as so far as to claim Mary is in fact the matchmaker who suggest Gianna consider marriage to her current spouse!

“While in Scottsdale, he [Michael Sullivan] was invited to be present for a private apparition, occurring to Gianna Talone. During that apparition, our Lady pointed Dr. Sullivan out to Gianna, from among the group present, and invited Gianna to consider entering into marriage with him someday. Gianna reflected on our Lady’s suggestion, choosing to be open to the possibility.”

What???? Reflected on the suggestion? HUH?????

Fourth, like Kettle River and Bayside, there were calls for the erection of a shrine in Emmitsburg to the ‘Our lady of Emmitsburg’.  Fortunately we can use the past tense here since unlike the Kettle River and Bayside cults, which actually began construction of shrines only to abandon them in mid-construction, talk of a shrine in Emmitsburg has fallen on deaf [saner] ears.

Fifth, it’s striking how according to the pretended prophets, Mary’s has singled out their town as her principle visitation point.  Mary even went so far as to say in a March 1995 message via Gianna, that:

“Scottsdale is called the center of Jesus Divine Mercy. Emmitsburg is the center of Our Lady’s Immaculate Heart but she brings the child Jesus. [The] Emmitsburg area was “Center of my Immaculate Heart.” 

In ways I can understand Mary’s concern not to inconvenience her followers, especially give the cost of gas today!  Mary established Scottsdale as her Southwest Hub, Emmitsburg as her Northeast hub, and Kettle River as her Midwest hub.

All kidding aside, a question that begs to be asked is ‘What did Scottsdale do Jesus????  Why will he appear in Emmitsburg with Mary, but boycott Scottsdale???

Sixth, in both cases the pretended prophets fell into the age old trap that ensnares all false prophets by predicting an event with a specific time attached to it.  In the case of the Kettle River Cult, it was the appearance of the Mary at Easter, the failure of which led to that Cult’s ultimate demise.  In the case of the ‘Our Lady of Emmitsburg’, it was the infamous 1999 “October Sign‘ prophecy, which was not realized and it too resulted in a reported mass defection from the cult. And now we have the new prophecy of the Earth getting smacked by a comet. 5.

 

 

Seventh, in both cases, Mary is depicted as constantly changing her mind.  As noted in the Kettle River story above, in one prophecy Mary states she will appear in only one location, then in another message Mary ‘retracts’ the statement and announces completely different plans!  In the case of the ‘Our lady of Emmitsburg Cult,’ following the church’s finding against the validity of the supposed visitations, Mary issues a message via the Gianna that “Mary will obey he son’s church and cease sending messages.” Yet two years later, Mary changes her mind and begins to do them again… 

As I close this article and reflect upon the above, I find one thought echoing over and over in my mind:

‘Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.’

 

The private messages of Veronica Lueken

http://www.catholicdoors.com/isit/isit08.htm

KNOWN AS:
“Our Lady of the Roses”; “The prophecies of Bayside”; “Veronica Lueken.”

SEER: Veronica Lueken

LOCATION: Bayside, New York

YEARS: 1968 – 1995

STATUS: On November 4, 1986, Bishop John Mugavero of Brooklyn made a public declaration regarding the “Bayside Movement.” In part, this proclamation consists of:

1) “No credibility can be given to the so-called ‘apparitions’ reported by Veronica Lueken and her followers.”

2) “The ‘messages and other related propaganda contain statements which, among other things, are contrary to the teachings of the Catholic Church, undermine the legitimate authority of bishops and councils and instill doubts in the minds of the faithful…”

3) “Because of my concern for their spiritual welfare, members of Christ’s faithful are hereby directed to refrain from participating in the ‘vigils’ and from disseminating any propaganda related to the ‘Bayside apparitions.’ They are also discouraged from reading any such material.”

4) “Anyone promoting this devotion in any way, be it by participating in the ‘vigils,’ organizing pilgrimages, publishing or disseminating the literature related to it, is contributing to the confusion which is being created in the faith of God’s people, as well as encouraging them to act against the determinations made by the legitimate pastor of this particular Church (c. 212, para. 1).”

 

REVIEW

ALLEGED REVELATIONS: Among many deceptions and doctrinal errors that are found in the “alleged” private messages of Veronica Lueken are:

1) For years, an ‘imposter (sic) Pope’ governed the Catholic Church in place of Paul VI.

2) Pope John Paul I was poisoned.

3) The current Pope is a prisoner.

4) Vatican II was a false Council.

5) The New Order Mass is not valid (sacramental).

6) Those receiving communion in the hand are sinning.

7) The false prophecy of a “miraculous fountain.”

8) The false prophecy of “miraculous healings. The only thing, if it can be called ‘unusual’ is the number of photos that contain strange lights.

9) The Rapture, the taking away of the saints (elect) to Heaven before the physical return of Christ to rule on earth for a thousand years. (Millenarianism) Etc…

 

The alleged messages of Veronica Lueken are totally absent of Divine manifestation. This conclusion is based on the following findings:

1. A total lack of respect for the Popes as spiritual leaders of the Church. Her messages alleged an imposter leader the Church, one Pope being murdered by poison and the current Pope being a prisoner.

2. In a traditionalist style, her messages have resisted and condemned Vatican II and its Spirit guided work as a false Council, including the rejection of the New Order Mass (not being a valid sacramental) and that receiving communion in the hand involves sinning.

3. None of her false prophecies have come to pass, this including a “miraculous fountain,” “miraculous healings,” “a comet,” etc… The only thing, if it can be called ‘unusual’ is the number of photos that contain strange lights. Such may have resulted by an scientific error in technology which has yet to be explained, OR by supernatural manifestations that are not of God. Therefore, if there are no scientific explanations, it is the work of Satan and/or the fallen angels.

4. Mrs Lueken has continuously promoted the “Rapture,” (Protestant belief) the taking away of the saints (elect) to Heaven before the physical return of Christ to rule on earth for a thousand years. The Catholic Church has always condemned the teachings of a secular messianism. On this subject, the Catechism of the Catholic Church states,

# 675 “Before Christ’s second coming the Church must pass through a final trial that will shake the faith of many believers. The persecution that accompanies her pilgrimage on earth will unveil the “mystery of iniquity” in the form of a religious deception offering men an apparent solution to their problems at the price of apostasy from the truth. The supreme religious deception is that of the Antichrist, a pseudo-messianism by which man glorifies himself in place of God and of his Messiah come in the flesh.”

 

 

# 676 “The Antichrist’s deception already begins to take shape in the world every time the claim is made to realize within history that messianic hope which can only be realized beyond history through the eschatological judgement. The Church has rejected even modified forms of this falsification of the kingdom to come under the name of millenarianism, especially the “intrinsically perverse” political form of a secular messianism.”

5. To this date, the Bayside Movement has been disobedient to the proclamation of the local Bishop John Mugavero of Brooklyn who on November 4, 1986, proclaimed that the faithful were to refrain from participating in the ‘vigils’ of the Bayside Movement and to disseminate any propaganda related to the ‘Bayside apparitions.’ Also, they were discouraged from reading any such material.”

The disobedience in itself is a clear sign that this work is not of God. Had the manifestation been of God and the Bayside Movement would have obeyed the proclamation of the Bishop, the Almighty Lord God would have found another mean to clearly manifest that these activities were of Heaven. As we all know, God does not walk with or through disobedient children.

In the Holy Bible, St. John cautions us,

“Test the spirits to see whether they are from God.” [1 Jn. 4:1]

And St. Paul cautions us,

“For such boasters are false apostles, deceitful workers, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. And no wonder! Even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.” [2 Cor. 11:13-4]

As to the position of the pastors of the Church, St. John tells us,

“We are of God. Whoever knows God listens to us, and whoever is not from God does not listen to us. From this we know the Spirit of truth and the spirit of error.” [1 Jn. 4:6]

6. As a general rule there is no prophet who really wants to be a prophet. In this case of the Bayside Movement, those involved are over-zealous to obtain fame and publicity, contrary to the Church Declaration to cease their work that is not heavenly inspired.

 

END RESULT IF BELIEVED

Those who associate themselves with the Bayside Movement, or even read its deceptive material, are in opposition to the official Proclamation of the Pastor (Bishop) of the Catholic Church. By continuing to do so, they are endangering their faith by embracing false doctrines, prophecies and manifestation that are not of Heaven. Through their disobedience, they are withdrawing themselves as faithful Catholics and disqualifying themselves from the Sacraments of the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.

One cannot disobey the local Bishop, be in mortal sin by rejecting the truth and then receive the Sacrament of the Holy Eucharist, the Bread of Life that is absolutely necessary to lead to salvation. This disobedience leads to eternal damnation.

 

New Age and Cults – MUGABAY.TXT – Declaration Concerning the ‘Bayside Movement’
Bishop Francis Mugavero

After consultation with the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Bishop Francis Mugavero of Brooklyn declares in this November 4, 1986, letter that no credibility can be given to the alleged revelations to Veronica Lueken, and he proscribes the publication and dissemination of them.

DECLARATION CONCERNING THE “BAYSIDE MOVEMENT”

http://www.ewtn.com/library/NEWAGE/MUGABAY.TXT

November 4, 1986 Letter of Bishop Francis Mugavero of Brooklyn

In recent months, doubts have been raised by members of the so-called “Bayside Movement” concerning the official position of the Diocese of Brooklyn on the alleged “apparitions” of the Blessed Virgin Mary, and other heavenly beings, to a woman by the name of Veronica Lueken.

Moreover, erroneous claims have been made by a number of followers of Mrs. Lueken concerning the legitimacy of their position, in order to justify their activities on behalf of the “Movement.” These have taken the form of statements in their publications that “since Articles 1399 and 2218 of (the 1917 Code of) Canon Law were abrogated by Pope Paul VI in 1966, no

ecclesiastical permission is required; neither can anyone incur censure, for the publication or dissemination of information dealing with revelations, visions or miracles, provided these do not endanger Faith or morals.”

As a result of the above-mentioned doubts and claims, a number of Christ’s faithful continue to attend the regularly-scheduled “vigils” held at Flushing Meadow Park, and to disseminate or receive propaganda literature on this matter.

I, the undersigned Diocesan Bishop of Brooklyn, in my role as the legitimate shepherd of this particular Church, wish to confirm the constant position of the Diocese of Brooklyn that a thorough investigation revealed that the alleged “visions of Bayside” completely lacked authenticity.

Moreover, in view of the confusion created by published reports of messages and other literature by this “Movement,” I consider it my obligation to offer Christ’s faithful pastoral guidance, lest their faith be endangered by “messages” and “teachings” relayed by “visionaries,” which are contrary to the Faith of our Catholic Church.

Therefore, in consultation with the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, I hereby declare that:

1. No credibility can be given to the so-called “apparitions” reported by Veronica Lueken and her followers.

2. The “messages” and other related propaganda contain statements which, among other things, are contrary to the teachings of the Catholic Church, undermine the legitimate authority of bishops and councils and instill doubts in the minds of the faithful, for example, by claiming that, for years, an “imposter (sic) Pope” governed the Catholic Church in place of

Paul VI.

 

 

 

3. Those who persistently maintain that “no ecclesiastical permission is required for the publication or dissemination” of information concerning “revelations, visions or miracles,” are erroneously interpreting the directives of the Holy See when they attempt to justify the publication of the propaganda literature on the “Bayside Messages.”

In view of my declaration concerning the authenticity of the “visions of Bayside,” the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith has confirmed that the principles governing the publication of such religious material still maintain authoritative moral value prohibiting the endangering of faith and good morals (Cf. Response of SCDF of June 14, 1966, in AAS 58,

1186).

As a result, those publishing or disseminating this propaganda literature are acting against the judgment of legitimate Church authority.

4. Because of my concern for their spiritual welfare, members of Christ’s faithful are hereby directed to refrain from participating in the “vigils” and from disseminating any propaganda related to the “Bayside apparitions.” They are also discouraged from reading any such literature.

5. Anyone promoting this devotion in any way, be it by participating in the “vigils,” organizing pilgrimages, publishing or disseminating the literature related to it, is contributing to the confusion which is being created in the faith of God’s people, as well as encouraging them to act against the determinations made by the legitimate pastor of this particular Church (c.212, para. 1).

It remains my constant hope that all the faithful spend their time and energies in promoting devotion to our Blessed Lady, in the many forms which have been approved by the Catholic Church.

+Bishop Francis Mugavero

Bishop of Brooklyn

Source: “Cults, Sects, and the New Age,” Rev. James J. LeBar (OSV Press).

 

False apparitions come from the devil [This appears to be a Traditionalist site –Michael]

http://shrineofourladyoflasalette.blogspot.in/2011/03/false-apparitions-come-from-devil.html
[Emphases theirs –M]

March 12, 2011

Disclaimer:
You may see appearing “Ads by Google” offering items abhorrent to True Catholicism. How these ads get on our blog is unbeknownst to us. We do not endorse or want any of them on our blog … NONE OF THEM. Especially, the false apparitions of Medjugorje, Bayside, and false religious organizations that come from the devil. In plain words…we denounce any and all commercialization and issues that are not True Catholic. Our only purpose for this blog is to bring truth to our audience of God’s one and only True Religion as He revealed it in Scripture.

To corroborate our disclaimer the following will prove that the “messages” coming from Medjugorje are a fraud inspired by Satan.

Mother Mary was supposedly to have said to “Seer” Ivanka Ivankovic

“…religions are separated in the earth, but the people of all religions are accepted by her Son.” – “Seer”Ivanka Ivankovic

“The Madonna always stresses that there is but one God and that people have enforced unnatural separation. One cannot truly believe, be a true Christian, if he does not respect other religions as well.”—”Seer’ Ivanka Ivankovic.

“The Blessed Mother says all religions are dear to her and her Son”—”Seer” Ivanka Ivankovic.

You don’t need a doctorate in religion to see that this is total apostasy inspired by the devil himself. It is a rejection of Catholic dogma; Outside the Church There is No Salvation; and it is total rejection of the clear teaching of the Gospel on the necessity of believing in Jesus Christ, the Son of God, for salvation. “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. NO ONE COMES TO THE FATHER BUT THROUGH ME.” John: 14:6.

 

The False Apparitions at Bayside, New York

Also on the naughty list are Veronica Lueken and her false apparitions at Bayside, N.Y. “Our Lady” of Bayside, August 14, 1979: “Do not judge your brothers and sisters, who have NOT been converted. My Son has repeated over and over, remember always—that in My Father’s House, there are many rooms in the Mansion, signifying faiths and creeds.”

This Bayside message, “signifying faiths and creeds”, as the occupiers of the many mansion referred to by Jesus, is an amazing heresy. The many mansions in the Father’s house that Our Lord refers to in the Gospel represent different rewards for Catholics who die in the state of grace—

Not for the different faiths and creeds of those who die outside the state of grace.

“It is impossible for the most true God, who is Truth itself, the best, the wisest Provider, and the Rewarder of good men, to approve all sects who profess false teachings which are often inconsistent with one another and contradictory, and to confer eternal rewards on their members…by divine faith we hold one Lord, one faith, one baptism…This is why we profess that there is no salvation outside the Church.” Pope Leo XII, Ubi Primum (#14), May 5, 1824.

 

Some people in my parish follow the Bayside apparitions and are encouraging me to do the same. What does the Church say about this group?  

http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/quickquestions/?qid=161

The Bayside apparition (“Our Lady of the Roses”) is totally and completely false. A Catholic should ignore it and have nothing to do with it or its literature. The supposed seer, the late Veronica Leuken
[sic], issued bizarre revelations and false prophesies that have not come to pass, such as the claim that “the Warning spoken of through the ages will occur in the year 1997.”

 

 

 

This Warning—not to be confused with the Three Days of Darkness or the Chastisement that some speak of—”is the worldwide cataclysm predicted by little Jacinta Marto, the youngest of the three child-seers at Fatima.”
She also said Mary told her that test-tube babies do not have souls, a philosophically and theologically impossible proposition, since all living human beings have souls.
Furthermore, the late bishop of the diocese in which Veronica Leuken [sic] resided (Bishop John Mugavero) had repeatedly condemned the apparition as a fake. The condemnation remains in force. The full text of Mugavero’s 1986 declaration concerning the “Bayside Movement” can be found at www.ewtn.com.-
Peggy Frye

 

Private Revelation: Unravelling Medjugorje

http://www.catholicrevelations.org/PR/private%20revelation%20unravelling%20medjugorje.htm
EXTRACT

By Carey Winters [Taken from RealCatholicism 5 Volume I]

The Orthodoxy of the messages

If there is one overriding theme to the Medjugorje messages, it is that of religious indifferentism. Wayne Weible, the divorced and remarried then-Protestant newspaperman and Medjugorje enthusiast, wrote in his book, Medjugorje: The Message in 1989. (Completely lacking in ecclesiastical approbation, it was in its sixth printing by July of 1990) Beginning on page one of the Forward, Svetozar Kraljevic, O.F.M., informs the reader that God “creates every human as an equal. My friendship with Wayne Weible has led me to new and very special steps in my awareness of the universal brotherhood of every human being on earth… This is the real experience of conversion at Medjugorje.”

The ‘seers’ verify that indifferentism is, indeed, the main message. Weible quotes verbatim some of the interviews with the alleged seers, found in Fr. Kraljevic’s book, The Apparitions of Our Lady at Medjugorje. In the first, Fr. Vlasic is interviewing Mirjana – who has just explained that “most people go to Purgatory.”

Mirjana: The Madonna always stresses that there is but one God, and that people have enforced unnatural separation. One cannot truly believe, be a true Christian, if he does not respect other religions as well. You do not really believe in God if you make fun of other religions.

Vlasic: What, then, is the role of Jesus Christ, if the Moslem religion is a good religion?

Mirjana: We did not discuss that. She merely explained, and deplored, the lack of religious unity… She said that everybody’s religion should be respected, and, of course, one’s own.

Ivanka Ivankovic confirmed this teaching to Fr. Svetozar:

Ivanka: The Madonna said that religions are separated in the earth, but the people of all religions are accepted by her Son.

Fr. S: Does that mean that all people go to Heaven?

Ivanka: It depends on what they deserve.

Fr. S: Yes, but many have never heard about Jesus.

Ivanka: Jesus knows all about that; I don’t. The Madonna said, basically, religions are similar; but many people have separated themselves, because of religion, and become enemies of each other.

Catholics do, in fact, owe proper respect to nonbelievers – but the Church has consistently taught that error itself has no rights! Furthermore, there are several ex cathedra statements which teach that outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation. St. Jerome, St. Augustine, St. John of the Cross all taught the same dogma. Cantate Domino specifically states that “not only pagans, but also Jews, heretics and schismatics” will go “into the eternal fire” unless, before they die, they are joined with the Catholic Church. Christ does not, then, accept those adhering to false religions – and to misinform them on the subject is to risk being party to their damnation.

Richard Salbato cites an interview conducted by Fr. Slavko Barbaric, the new spiritual director, with the ‘seers’, in which the Franciscan posed questions for the ‘Gospa’ to answer. The questions and the answers provided by the ‘seers’ were translated and signed by John T. Shindler.

According to this document, the ‘Gospa’ told the teens that UFOs are real, that a baby receives a living soul at age four and a half months, that Hitler, Tito and Pope Paul VI were “good men replaced by evil red doubles,” and that Mary did in fact appear at Necedah*, WI (Medjugorje Apparitions, pp. 29-30). *a false site

The ‘evil double’ theory was advanced by Veronica Leuken, of Bayside, NY fame – and Veronica’s teachings were determined to contain statements contrary to the teachings of the Church. Among the doctrinal errors in her ‘messages’ is the curious statement that humans are conceived by the Holy Ghost. Before her ‘visions’ began, Leuken had supplemented the family income by reading fortunes and tarot cards. With a mailing list of some 400,000 readers, Bayside reportedly grosses over $5 million annually (Private Revelation, pp. 9-10).

 

The False Apparitions at Bayside, New York

http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/36_Bayside.pdf, http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/bayside_false_apparitions.php

[This is a Traditionalist site; the article is copied for academic purpose; pictures not included –Michael]

We’re often contacted by those who follow the alleged apparitions of Our Lady and Our Lord that have occurred in various parts of the world over the past few decades. Among these, the apparitions at Bayside, New York are prominent. Veronica Lueken allegedly received messages from Our Lord and Our Lady starting in the 1970’s and lasting into the 1990’s.

Veronica’s messages were known as the Message of Bayside. These messages were – and still are – extremely influential in how many view the post-conciliar crisis.

 

 

 

The messages allegedly received by Veronica were accompanied by prodigies and signs that were witnessed by many at the Bayside apparition site. At the top of this section is a picture from the grounds at Bayside, in which there appears to be a miraculous sign of grace in the area of Veronica Lueken’s head. Apparently, there are thousands of such pictures from the grounds at Bayside. These indeed appear to be “signs”; but, as we will see, these signs are not from Heaven.

Speaking of the last days, Our Lord warns the world that there will be false signs and wonders to deceive (if it were possible) even the elect.

Matthew 24:24-25: “Then if any man shall say to you: Lo here is Christ, or there, do not believe him. For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Behold I have told it to you, before hand. If therefore they shall say to you: Behold He is in the desert, go ye not out: Behold He is in the closets, believe it not.”

In this warning, Our Lord makes the very specific statement that if people say they see Him here or there in those days, do not believe it. He even uses the very interesting phrase, “in the closet.” In other words, if they say Our Lord is appearing to them in their closets or in their rooms, do not believe it. This admonition would obviously apply also to those who say that His Mother is here or there in those days. St. Paul warns us of the same thing in 2 Thessalonians, when speaking about the time of the Great Apostasy and the coming of Antichrist:

2 Thessalonians 2:9-12: “Whose coming is according to the working of Satan, in all power, and signs, and lying wonders, And in all seduction of iniquity to them that perish; because they receive not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. Therefore God shall send them the operation of error, to believe lying that all may be judged who have not believed the truth, but have consented to iniquity.”

Prophecy of Marie Julie Jahenny, Briton Stigmatist (1891): “During the time of the approach of the punishments announced at La Salette, an unlimited amount of false revelations will arise from Hell like a swarm of flies; a last attempt of Satan to choke and destroy the belief in the true revelations by false ones.”1

Faced with this situation, the way that a Catholic judges everything is by the teaching of the Catholic Church. If an apparition apparently from Heaven gives a message that contains one clear heresy, or anything contrary to the teaching of the Catholic Church, that is sufficient to prove that it cannot be from God, but that it is from the Devil. God does not contradict Himself.

Galatians 1:8-9- “But though we, or an angel from Heaven, preach a gospel to you besides that which we have preached to you, let him be anathema. As we said before, so now I say again: If anyone preach to you a gospel, besides that which you have received, let him be anathema.”

What follows are some of the heresies and clearly false messages in Bayside. These serve to prove that the apparitions of Bayside were not authentic messages from Our Lady or Our Lord.

We will cover just a few of the false messages in Bayside. There are many others which we will not include in order to avoid making this section too long. These facts are sufficient to prove that Our Lord and Our Lady did not appear or speak to Veronica Lueken. It was actually the Devil posing as Our Lady and Our Lord who gave Veronica Lueken false messages in order to lead people astray.

 

BAYSIDE TEACHES THAT THERE ARE OTHER FAITHS IN HEAVEN

“Our Lady” of Bayside, August 14, 1979: “Do not judge your brothers and sisters who have not been converted. For My Father’s House, My Son has repeated over and over, remember always – that in My Father’s House, there are many rooms in the Mansion, signifying faiths and creeds.”2

The statement above allegedly from “Our Lady of Bayside,” that in the Father’s House there are many mansions representing many faiths and creeds, is blatantly heretical. It is an infallibly defined dogma that only those who die with the Catholic Faith go to Heaven, as we’ve covered throughout this book.

Pope Eugene IV, The Athanasian Creed, Council of Florence, Sess. 8, Nov. 22, 1439, ex cathedra: “Whoever wishes to be saved, needs above all to hold the Catholic faith; unless each one preserves this whole and inviolate, he will without a doubt perish in eternity.”3

This heresy in Bayside gives it away as a false apparition of the Devil, for Our Lady does not contradict infallible dogma and the Chair of St. Peter. To say otherwise is blasphemous heresy.

Pope Leo XII, Ubi Primum (# 14), May 5, 1824:

“It is impossible for the most true God, who is Truth itself, the best, the wisest Provider, and the Rewarder of good men, to approve all sects who profess false teachings which are often inconsistent with one another and contradictory, and to confer eternal rewards on their membersby divine faith we hold one Lord, one faith, one baptismThis is why we profess that there is no salvation outside the Church.”4

The Bayside Message contradicts what Catholics must hold by divine faith, that there is only one faith that leads to Heaven, the Catholic Faith, outside of which there is no salvation. The many mansions in the Father’s house that Our Lord refers to in the Gospel represent different rewards for Catholics who die in the state of grace.

 

BAYSIDE’S FALSE PROPHECY ON THE MARKET CRASH

“Our Lady” of Bayside, June 18, 1988: “Within two years or less, there will be a great crash of the market. The whole world’s monetary systems will be paralyzed. That, My child, is why you had to come this evening to the grounds.”5

This never happened.

 

BAYSIDE’S FALSE PROPHECY ON THE BALL OF REDEMPTION

“Our Lady” of Bayside, June 18, 1988: “Do not be affrighted, My child; you must see this, for it is important. Within this century this Ball will be sent upon mankind… It is almost too late… a Ball that is fast hurtling towards earth! It will be here within this century, if not sooner.”6

 

 

A common characteristic of many of the recent false apparitions is the claim that a ball of redemption will come to crush the Earth or much of it. Personally, we believe that the Devil’s purpose in promoting this idea is to get people to focus on a physical chastisement, rather than on the spiritual deception occurring with the Vatican II sect. Bayside clearly prophesied that this comet/ball of redemption would arrive “within” the 20th century. This never happened, thus proving that the Message of Bayside is false. Further, look at the wording of the message allegedly from “Our Lady.” She supposedly says that this ball would arrive “within this century, if not sooner,” AS IF SHE DOESN’T KNOW. It is not the statement of Our Lady, but the lie of the Devil.

When Our Lady communicates, she usually says very little. She expresses herself precisely, and she certainly doesn’t make false prophecies. She is the Queen of Prophets.

 

BAYSIDE TEACHES HERESY ON GOD’S POWERS, AND THAT JOHN PAUL II WAS GOOD

“Our Lord” of Bayside, August 21, 1985: “My children – three figures with great power, who are planning the fate of your Vicar [John Paul II]. You must warn him to be clear of those about him. When he reads their writings he will understand. However, We also ask that he spend less time in going to and fro across the nations, for he makes it doubly difficult for Us to protect him. Pray a constant vigilance of prayer. You have a good and holy Father now in Rome, but should he be removed there will come disaster.”7

According to this, Our Lord said it’s doubly hard for Him to protect someone who travels. This is clearly false.

Pope Pius IX, Vatican Council I, Sess. 3, Chap. 1, On God the creator of all things:

“EVERYTHING THAT GOD HAS BROUGHT INTO BEING HE PROTECTS AND GOVERNS BY HIS PROVIDENCE, which reaches from one end of the earth to the other and orders all things well. All things are open and laid bare before His eyes, even those which will be brought about by the free activity of creatures.”8

God’s providence and power extend from one end of the earth to the other. It’s not hard for Him to do anything. The statement of Bayside not only contradicts Vatican I, but also the Gospel. Our Lord tells His Apostles that He could instantly have more than 12 legions of angels (Mt. 26:53) from His Father, if He asked for them. But Bayside would have us believe that it makes it difficult for God if you travel! This is just one example of many which proves that there is outrageous heresy and error in the Bayside Message.

While God allows the Devil to work false signs at these apparition sites, at the same time He allows (or even forces) the Devil to make major mistakes, so that those who really want the truth can see that the message is a deception of the Devil.

The above message also tells us that John Paul II was “good.” This is arguably the worst part of the Bayside Message. John Paul II praised all the different false religions and taught that we shouldn’t convert non-Catholics, as we’ve documented in this book. John Paul II was an evil, Christ-rejecting heretic. Through Veronica Lueken, the Devil wanted to convince people that a man who preached a new Gospel, promoted idolatry and religious indifferentism, was actually “good.”

 

BAYSIDE TEACHES A CLEAR FALSEHOOD ON THE TELEVISION

“Our Lady” of Bayside, Sept. 27, 1975: “I have, many times, cautioned you, and all my children, against the use of the diabolical machine, your television. There will be no excuses for having these in your presence.”9

According to the Message of Bayside, “Our Lady” says that there are no excuses for having a television in your presence. This is clearly ridiculous. That means that one could never watch a Catholic video or the news or some other perfectly acceptable program. Our Lady would certainly condemn the misuse of the television, and most things on television; but this statement of Bayside is clearly false, and it contradicts the teaching of Pope Pius XI in Vigilanti Cura, June 29, 1936.

Speaking of motion pictures (movies) – and therefore what he says obviously applies to the television as well – Pius XI points out the “potentialities for good as well as for harm.” Movies and the television are not intrinsically evil; they can be used for good or for evil.

Pope Pius XI, Vigilanti cura (#’s 18-19), June 29, 1936: “The power of the cinema is due to the fact that it speaks through the medium of living images, which are assimilated with delight and without difficulty, even by those who are untrained and uneducated, and who would be incapable or unwilling to make the efforts of induction or deduction necessary in reasoning. For to read, or to listen to another reading aloud demands a certain concentration and mental effort; an effort which in the cinema is replaced by the delight of a continuous stream of living images presented to the eyes… These theatres, being like the school of life itself, have a greater influence in inciting men to virtue or vice than abstract reasoning.”10

It’s interesting that Pius XI points out that watching a movie requires less mental effort than reading a book, which is why movies and the television are so popular. Most people are unwilling to make the mental effort it requires to read. Since this continuous stream of living images is presented directly to the eyes by a motion picture, Pius XI points out that it possesses great power to incite men “to virtue or vice…” Thus, movies and television can lead men to virtue, if the program is wholesome and Catholic. Movies and television are not intrinsically evil. The Message of Bayside is proven again to be false.

 

BAYSIDE’S FALSE PROPHECY ON THE ONE FOLLOWING JOHN PAUL II

“Our Lady” of Bayside, June 18, 1988: “Please, my children, pray for your Holy Father, the pope. You must not lose him, for the one who comes after him will destroy if he can – he will attempt to destroy Pope John Paul II.”11

This is another false prophecy. The one after John Paul II, who is Benedict XVI, doesn’t try to destroy him, but wants to “canonize” him! Further, the prophecy is inherently contradictory, for how could the one after John Paul II attempt to destroy him when John Paul II will already be dead?

 

THE REAL PURPOSE OF THE FALSE BAYSIDE MESSAGES: STAY IN YOUR PARISH AT THE INVALID NEW MASS AND WITH THE ANTIPOPE

 

 

 

“Our Lady” of Bayside, Aug. 14, 1981, STAY IN YOUR PARISH: “My heart, My Son’s heart has been grieved, as we go about the world… We can see a division bordering on schism… it is promoted by Satan… Do not judge My Son’s House, His Church, by the man, though he is a representative – legal, a legal representative of My Son… at the time that My Son comes in the Consecration, He shall not turn aside from you, My Son.

Therefore, you cannot say that the Mass is invalid. This has brought great sorrow to Our Hearts, for many left the fold on this matter.”12

“Our Lady” of Bayside, May 3, 1978, Stay in your parish: “You will all remain in your Parish churches.”13

Notice the insistence with which the Message tells people to remain at the New Mass!

“Our Lady” of Bayside, Aug. 14, 1981, Stay in your parish: “I have asked you in the past, and I ask and continue to beg you, my children, not to abandon your Vicar in Rome, and not to abandon your parish church.”14

“Our Lord” of Bayside, Sept. 14, 1986, Traditionalists are being led astray: “We hear all names coming forward to Our ears of churches being born anew, called the Traditional The False Apparitions at Bayside, NY 465 Roman Catholic Church. My child and My children, We need no more Traditionalists running around and creating new churches.”15

The Devil wants people to stay with the counterfeit Church of the Vatican II sect. He wants people to stay with the invalid New Mass. This is the whole purpose of the Bayside Messages, and many similar false messages. The Devil wants to keep conservative-minded “Catholics” inside the Vatican II parishes, in communion with the new Vatican II religion, and under the manifestly heretical and non-Catholic Vatican II antipopes. In order to accomplish this, the Devil uses false seers such as Veronica Lueken. And in order to be ultra-effective, in the false messages which he gives them he includes conservative statements. These conservative statements – such as encouraging the people to pray the Rosary, wear the scapular, denounce modernism, reject liturgical abuses, etc. – are meant to deceive. All of these things were part of the Bayside messages. Since people receive not the love of the truth (2 Thess. 2), God allows them to be deceived by the false signs that have occurred at these apparition sites.

Sadly, the Devil’s plan has been incredibly effective. We’ve been in contact with many who continue to attend the New Mass – while deploring its abuses, of course, as the Bayside Message instructs them – simply because they believe in Bayside. They won’t hear the Magisterial arguments (arguments from the traditional teaching authority of the Church) which show that the New Mass is no Mass; rather, they just stick with Bayside. They dismiss all the proof that Paul VI, John Paul II and Benedict XVI weren’t/aren’t even Catholic; they just stick with Bayside. We know entire families who have been raised in the Conciliar religion – for instance, attending both the indult Mass and the New Mass, rather than strictly the Traditional

Mass at an independent chapel – simply because they follow Bayside.

Unfortunately, if they remain on their present path it will cost them their salvation, since they have chosen to follow strange voices rather than the truth communicated through the teaching of the Catholic Church. At their judgments, Our Lord will repeat to them what He warned all of us in the Gospel:

Matthew 24:24-25: “Then if any man shall say to you: Lo here is Christ, or there, do not believe him. For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Behold I have told it to you, before hand. If therefore they shall say to you: Behold He is in the desert, go ye not out: Behold He is in the closets, believe it not.”

Below is just one of countless examples that could be given of a “conservative” message that the Devil spiced in among the Bayside messages. The Devil tells them to remain at the Vatican II parish and under the antipope, while also…

“Our Lady” of Bayside, Aug. 14, 1974 – Vatican II: “Satan was present – He listened with careful ears at the Great Council [Vatican II]. He awaited every move, and he placed his agents among you! Recognize and reconstruct your path! You have been deluded.”16

This tickles the ears of those who know that Vatican II caused the spiritual crisis. So the Devil tells them that there were problems with Vatican II, while keeping them in the very sect that Vatican II created. It’s brilliant. Veronica also said that it was revealed to her that if the Latin Mass were returned the coming chastisement would be averted. Hence, the people are told that the Latin Mass is preferable, but the New Mass is also valid and should not be abandoned.

 

VERONICA LUEKEN WAS A VOICE-BOX FOR THE DEVIL

“Our Lady” of Bayside, July 25, 1985: “…By the time We had reached you in Bayside, in your home, My Child, We had looked with Theresa a long time for a Veronica… the highest of Heaven approach many souls to be messengers, voice-boxes, for the Eternal Father, through My Son…”17

Veronica Lueken was chosen and used as a voice-box for the Devil. Her false messages, which contradict Catholic teaching, have had disastrous effects on innumerable souls. For the most part, what is said in this article also applies to the many other false apparitions of the past few decades. It applies to the false apparitions at Medjugorje, which contain clear heresy; it applies to the false apparitions/locutions to Don Gobbi, John Leary, etc., etc., etc. Some of these other apparitions are slightly more conservative, while some of them are slightly more liberal. The Devil has various flavors to appeal to different kinds of people, but they all deliver a false message on the post-Vatican II apostasy. Almost all of them say similar things about John Paul II.

In conclusion, these facts should show us the lengths to which Satan has gone (with God’s permission) to deceive people and keep them with the New Mass and the Vatican II antipopes, etc. This should be a wake up call to us all about the gravity of the spiritual deception we are dealing with now.

 

Endnotes for Section 36:

1 Rev. R. Gerald Culleton, The Reign of Antichrist, Rockford, IL: Tan Books, 1974, p. 177.

2 Our Lady of the Roses (Blue Book), the “messages” of Bayside, published by Apostles of Our Lady, Inc. Lansing, MI, 1993, p. 81.

 

 

 

3 Decrees of the Ecumenical Councils, Sheed & Ward and Georgetown University Press, 1990, Vol. 1, pp. 550-553; Denzinger, The Sources of Catholic Dogma, B. Herder Book. Co., Thirtieth Edition, 1957, 39-40.

4 The Papal Encyclicals, Vol. 1 (1740-1878), p. 201.

5 Our Lady of the Roses (Blue Book), the “messages” of Bayside, p. 108.

6 Our Lady of the Roses (Blue Book), the “messages” of Bayside, p. 108.

7 Our Lady of the Roses (Blue Book), the “messages” of Bayside, p. 103.

8 Denzinger 1784

9 Our Lady of the Roses (Blue Book), the “messages” of Bayside, p. 86.

10 The Papal Encyclicals, Vol. 3 (1903-1939), p. 519.

11 Our Lady of the Roses (Blue Book), the “messages” of Bayside, p. 108.

12 Our Lady of the Roses (Blue Book), the “messages” of Bayside, p. 83.

13 Our Lady of the Roses (Blue Book), the “messages” of Bayside, p. 83.

14 Our Lady of the Roses (Blue Book), the “messages” of Bayside, p. 83.

15 Our Lady of the Roses (Blue Book), the “messages” of Bayside, p. 104.

16 Our Lady of the Roses (Blue Book), the “messages” of Bayside, p. 87.

17 Our Lady of the Roses (Blue Book), the “messages” of Bayside, p. 102.

 

LETTERS

From:
johnsalza@scripturecatholic.com
To:
michaelprabhu@vsnl.net
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 7:40 PM

Michael, Our Sunday Visitor is my publisher. I released The Biblical Basis for the Catholic faith last year (2005). Masonry Unmasked will be out in September, 2006. I will also have a book on the papacy coming out in 2007, and am working on a book on the Eucharist for 2008. You may contact the publisher at 1.800.348.2440 or visit their website at www.osv.com.
Masonry Unmasked will be helpful to your patrons because it is written from a Catholic perspective, unlike the four books you mentioned which are written by Protestants, most of whom are anti-Catholic. God bless you, your family, and your ministry. John Salza, USA

From: michaelprabhu@vsnl.net To: johnsalza@scripturecatholic.com Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 9:43 PM

Dear John,

Thank you. Since you must be quite authoritative on Freemasonry among Catholics, may I clarify some issues with you?
[…] 3. Also in my archives, another two photocopied pages under the title “Masons”. This material appears to be the concerned with the “prophecies” of the false seer Veronica Lueken of “Our Lady of the Roses”, Bayside, NY. The pages provide a list of 125 Catholic clergy “of a list of Masons and is reprinted exactly as printed in the July 1976 Bulletin de L’Occident Chretien Nr. 12 (Directeur Pierre Fautrad a Fye- 72490 Bourg Le Roi)… Each man’s name is followed by his position if known, the date he was initiated into Masonry, his code #, and his code name if known.” At No.108 is the late Cardinal Leo Suenens of Belgium.

Have you seen this list? Is this a genuine list? Angela & I wish you a Holy Easter. Michael

From:
johnsalza@scripturecatholic.com
To:
michaelprabhu@vsnl.net
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 9:49 PM

Michael, I read excerpts from Wagner’s book years ago and recall it being accurate. I believe I even quote from his book at least once in my book. I have not read any of the other material that you sent me. However, I doubt that any Cardinal would be a Mason because, up until the new code of canon law was promulgated, Catholic Masons were subject to latae sententiae excommunication. Even under the 1983 code, Catholic Masons are subject to a number of canonical penalties including excommunication, depending on the facts and circumstances. If there are Masons in the church hierarchy, then they have infiltrated the Church in an effort to destroy her. That would not surprise me. The smoke of Satan has entered into the Church, and it is a Masonic ethos. My book will blow the cover off of this pan-religious satanic sect and show the world what it really is all about. God bless. John

From:
johnsalza@scripturecatholic.com
To:
michaelprabhu@vsnl.net Cc: Fr. James Manjackal

Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 10:31 PM Subject: Re: FREEMASONRY

Thanks for your email. My book on Freemasonry, called Masonry Unmasked: An Insider Reveals the Secrets of the Lodge, will be released this September, 2006, by Our Sunday Visitor. You may buy the book by going to their website at
www.osv.com. I would check in August/September. Grace be with you. John

 

From:
Pramila D’Souza
To:
michaelprabhu@vsnl.net
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 11:41 AM Subject: Advice

Michael, I want some information. If you have not already done so, can you please take a look at the website http://www.tldm.org/ or ‘Bayside Prophecies’ – in particular the ‘Directives’ and the prophecies?  What do you say about them and what do you know about this website? It seems to address a lot of current issues like dressing modestly and not receiving Holy Communion in the hand, but I am too unschooled to discern what is authentic and what not.
From:
prabhu
To:
Pramila D’Souza
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 2:00 PM Subject: Re: Advice

I won’t be looking at the site you gave me. I know all about Veronica Lueken, “Our Lady of the Roses” and Bayside.

It was 1983 and I was distributing Bayside material in New Delhi along with a Daughters of St Paul nun. I was very much taken up with the messages and found them helpful in my pursuit of holiness. Then one day, in some of the material, I noted some disturbing statements and claims. They worried me greatly because one of them condemned the charismatic renewal as the work of Satan. Either Bayside had to be correct or the charismatic renewal and the Church had to be correct. One of them had to be wrong.

 

 

 

Angela and I sat down and prayed together and the Lord clearly gave us indication to reject Bayside. We had meanwhile written to two people, Joan D’Rozario of Calcutta who was in full time deliverance ministry with Fr John Hoey and the saintly Jesuit Fr. Hilary Miranda. Both of them wrote back that the Bayside apparitions and messages were false. I destroyed all the Bayside material that I had. The nun was mad at me and told me I was very wrong. I completely forgot about her till she introduced herself to me at a dinner three years later and told me that she had been wrong.

I have stopped writing or discussing about Bayside since almost two decades. My hardcopy library today contains a lot of information exposing the errors and dangers of Bayside. My library contains a book “Cults, Sects and the New Age” by Fr. James Le Bar. It has forewords by two Cardinals. In that book there is a section devoted to the Church’s official condemnation of the alleged Bayside apparitions and messages.

I trust that I have answered your question. Thanks so much for asking. It is true that all these prophecies and visions have much good in them. That’s what attracts people so much that they miss the tiny errors of poison unless they are knowledgeable, informed or spiritually discerning. Michael

From:
Pramila D’Souza
To:
michaelprabhu@vsnl.net
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 9:24 AM

Dear Michael, Many thanks for your prompt response yesterday. I liked the article from “Bayside Prophecies” about receiving Communion in the hand – I myself cannot bring my unholy hands to receive the host. So some things that they
say are correct, but if ignorant people read these articles, they will not, like me, show their ignorance, but perhaps believe them unquestioningly. You know what disturbs me? Obviously because of so many “good” people perpetrating such articles and behaviour, the world has come to the mess it is in. But what is even more disturbing is that nothing is being done by the Church – at least I have not heard of anything being done, but then I am ignorant.
From:
prabhu
To:
Pramila D’Souza
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 1:24 PM

Angela and I have never received Communion in the Hand. But it is not a matter of Doctrine/concerning salvation. It is a matter of liturgy, and can and I am sure will be stopped. See

COMMUNION IN THE HAND OR ON THE TONGUE AND EXTRAORDINARY MINISTERS OF HOLY COMMUNION
http://ephesians-511.net/docs/COMMUNION_IN_THE_HAND_OR_ON_THE_TONGUE_AND_EXTRAORDINARY_MINISTERS_OF_HOLY_COMMUNION.doc

 

See

NORMS REGARDING THE MANNER OF PROCEEDING IN THE DISCERNMENT OF PRESUMED APPARITIONS OR REVELATIONS
PAUL VI/CDF FEBRUARY 25, 1978 & DECEMBER 14, 2011

http://ephesians-511.net/docs/NORMS_REGARDING_THE_MANNER_OF_PROCEEDING_IN_THE_DISCERNMENT_OF_PRESUMED_APPARITIONS_OR_REVELATIONS.doc

NORMS REGARDING THE MANNER OF PROCEEDING IN THE DISCERNMENT OF PRESUMED APPARITIONS OR REVELATIONS 02
CDF MAY 29, 2012

http://ephesians-511.net/docs/NORMS_REGARDING_THE_MANNER_OF_PROCEEDING_IN_THE_DISCERNMENT_OF_PRESUMED_APPARITIONS_OR_REVELATIONS_02.doc

MARIAN APPARITIONS

http://ephesians-511.net/docs/MARIAN_APPARITIONS.doc

PRIVATE REVELATION

http://ephesians-511.net/docs/PRIVATE_REVELATION.doc

PRIVATE_REVELATION-CRITERIA_FOR_DISCERNMENT-RICHARD_SALBATO

http://ephesians-511.net/docs/PRIVATE_REVELATION-CRITERIA_FOR_DISCERNMENT-RICHARD_SALBATO.doc

PRIVATE REVELATION-RULES FOR DISCERNMENT OF PHENOMENA-FR FELIX BOURDIER

http://ephesians-511.net/docs/PRIVATE_REVELATION-RULES_FOR_DISCERNMENT_OF_PHENOMENA-FR_FELIX_BOURDIER.doc

 

CARDINAL IVAN DIAS PROMOTES CONTROVERSIAL MARIAN APPARITIONS

http://ephesians-511.net/docs/CARDINAL_IVAN_DIAS_PROMOTES_CONTROVERSIAL_MARIAN_APPARITIONS.doc

 

AKITA, JAPAN-ARE THE SUPERNATURAL EVENTS GENUINE?

http://ephesians-511.net/docs/AKITA-JAPAN-ARE_THE_SUPERNATURAL_EVENTS_GENUINE.doc

CHRISTINA GALLAGHER-THE HOUSE OF PRAYER

http://ephesians-511.net/docs/CHRISTINA_GALLAGHER-THE_HOUSE_OF_PRAYER.doc

FALSE PRIVATE REVELATION OF MICHAEL DIBITETTO – RON SMITH

http://ephesians-511.net/docs/FALSE_PRIVATE_REVELATION_OF_MICHAEL_DIBITETTO-RON_SMITH.doc

FR STEFANO GOBBI-MARIAN MOVEMENT OF PRIESTS

http://ephesians-511.net/docs/FR_STEFANO_GOBBI-MARIAN_MOVEMENT_OF_PRIESTS.doc

GARABANDAL

http://ephesians-511.net/docs/GARABANDAL.doc

 

 

 

JULIA KIM-MARYS ARK OF SALVATION

http://ephesians-511.net/docs/JULIA KIM-MARYS ARK OF SALVATION.doc

MARIA DIVINE MERCY-THE WARNING SECOND COMING AND THE BOOK OF TRUTH

http://ephesians-511.net/docs/MARIA_DIVINE_MERCY- THE_WARNING_SECOND_COMING_AND_THE_BOOK_OF_TRUTH.doc

MARIA VALTORTA-POEM OF THE MAN-GOD

http://ephesians-511.net/docs/MARIA_VALTORTA-POEM_OF_THE_MAN-GOD.doc

MAUREEN SWEENEY-HOLY LOVE MINISTRIES

http://ephesians-511.net/docs/MAUREEN_SWEENEY-HOLY_LOVE_MINISTRIES.doc

MEDJUGORJE

http://ephesians-511.net/docs/MEDJUGORJE.doc

MEDJUGORJE-CAREY WINTERS

http://ephesians-511.net/docs/MEDJUGORJE-CAREY_WINTERS.doc

MEDJUGORJE-JOHN LOUGHMAN

http://ephesians-511.net/docs/MEDJUGORJE-JOHN_LOUGHMAN.doc

PATRICIA DE MENEZES-THE COMMUNITY OF DIVINE INNOCENCE

http://ephesians-511.net/docs/PATRICIA_DE_MENEZES-THE_COMMUNITY_OF_DIVINE_INNOCENCE.doc

QUO VADIS PAPA FRANCISCO 02-MEDJUGORJE

http://ephesians-511.net/docs/QUO_VADIS_PAPA_FRANCISCO_02-MEDJUGORJE.doc

 

 

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