Quo Vadis, Papa Francisco?05- WILL POPE FRANCIS REALLY BAPTISE ALIENS?


MAY 21,
2014

 


Quo Vadis, Papa Francisco?

05- WILL POPE FRANCIS REALLY BAPTISE ALIENS?

 

Pope at Mass: The Holy Spirit makes the unthinkable possible

http://www.news.va/en/news/pope-at-mass-the-holy-spirit-makes-the-unthinkable

Vatican Radio, May 12, 2014

“Who are we to close the doors” to the Holy Spirit? This was the question that Pope Francis repeated this morning during his homily at Mass at Casa Santa Marta, a homily dedicated to the conversion of the first pagans to Christianity. The Holy Spirit, he reiterated, is what makes the Church to go “beyond the limits, go ever forward.”
The Spirit blows where it wills, but one of the most common temptations of those who have faith is to bar its path and drive it in one direction or another. A temptation that was not alien even in the early days of the Church, as the experience of Simon Peter in today’s reading from the Acts of the Apostles shows. A community of pagans welcomes the announcement of the Gospel and Peter is an eyewitness to the descent of the Holy Spirit on them. First hesitates to make contact with what he had always considered “unclean” and then he suffers harsh criticism from the Christians of Jerusalem, shocked by the fact that their leader had eaten with the “uncircumcised” and had even baptized them. A moment of internal crisis that Pope Francis recalls with a hint of irony:
“That was unthinkable. If – for example – tomorrow an expedition of Martians came, and some of them came to us, here… Martians, right? Green, with that long nose and big ears, just like children paint them… And one says, ‘But I want to be baptized!’ What would happen?”
Peter understands his error when a vision enlightens him to a fundamental truth: that which has been purified by God cannot be called “profane” by anyone. And in narrating these facts to the crowd that criticized him, the Apostle calms them all with this statement: “If then God gave them the same gift He gave to us when we came to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I to be able to hinder God?”

 

 

“When the Lord shows us the way, who are we to say, ‘No, Lord, it is not prudent! No, let’s do it this way’… and Peter in that first diocese – the first diocese was Antioch – makes this decision: ‘Who am I to admit impediments?’ A nice word for bishops, for priests and for Christians. Who are we to close doors? In the early Church, even today, there is the ministry of the ostiary [usher]. And what did the ostiary do? He opened the door, received the people, allowed them to pass. But it was never the ministry of the closed door, never.”
Again Pope Francis repeated, God has left the guidance of the Church “in the hands of the Holy Spirit.” “The Holy Spirit – he continued – as Jesus said, will teach us everything” and “remind us what Jesus taught us”:
“The Holy Spirit is the living presence of God in the Church. He keeps the Church going, keeps the Church moving forward. More and more, beyond the limits, onwards. The Holy Spirit with His gifts guides the Church. You cannot understand the Church of Jesus without this Paraclete, whom the Lord sends us for this very reason. And He makes unthinkable choices, but unimaginable! To use a word of St. John XXIII: it is the Holy Spirit that updates the Church: Really, he really updates it and keeps it going. And we Christians must ask the Lord for the grace of docility to the Holy Spirit. Docility in this Spirit, who speaks to us in our heart, who speaks to us in all of life’s circumstances, who speaks to us in the Church’s life, in Christian communities, who is always speaking to us.”

 

The pope on Martians and divorce

http://theratzingerforum.yuku.com/reply/84336/Re-News-about-Pope-Francis-the-successor-of-Benedict-XVI,

http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/world/2014/05/17/what-stake-when-pope-francis-visits-holy-land/T3bErULMEJVFelIUfeqC0J/story.html

By John L. Allen, Jr., May 17, 2014

Francis may not exactly be a spellbinding orator, but he has a gift for arresting bits of imagery that often say more in a sentence than whole volumes of theological reflection.

The latest example came on Monday, when Francis delivered his regular impromptu homily during morning Mass at the Domus Santa Marta, the hotel on Vatican grounds where he resides. Reflecting on a New Testament passage describing the early Christian church decision to accept Gentiles in addition to Jews, Francis called it an open-door policy with broad implications.

In that spirit, the pontiff said that if a band of Martians showed up tomorrow wanting to be baptized as Christians, he would happily do so. He added a rhetorical question destined to join his “Who am I to judge?” line about gays as a classic expression of his pastoral approach.

“Who are we to close the door?” he asked. “When the Lord shows us the way, who are we to say, ‘No, Lord, it is not prudent!'” Francis said, adding that the Holy Spirit “makes unthinkable choices. . . unimaginable!”

Francis in no way tied his reflection to any policy debate currently facing the Church. Nonetheless, many commentators couldn’t help but connect the dots between his theoretical embrace of extraterrestrials and the more practical question of allowing divorced and remarried Catholics to receive the sacraments, which figures to be at the heart of the debate during this October’s Synod of Bishops on the family.

(A “synod” is a summit of bishops and other Catholic leaders from around the world summoned to advise the pope on a particular topic. Church law currently bars Catholics who divorce and remarry without obtaining an annulment, a declaration that one or more of the conditions for a valid marriage was never satisfied, from receiving communion and the other sacraments.)

The Italian newspaper La Repubblica, for instance, drew this conclusion from Francis’ musings about Martians: “The pope addressed his message above all to the bishops who in the upcoming synods will have to express themselves on the admission to the sacraments of divorced and remarried couples, as well as a different pastoral approach to unmarried couples.”

Whether or not that’s actually what Francis had in mind, there’s little doubt he already has done almost everything a pope can do to prime the pump for the debate in the synod. Beginning with comments aboard the papal plane coming back from Brazil in July, he’s repeatedly dropped hints that he’s open to reconsidering the traditional discipline regarding divorced and remarried Catholics. In February he invited German Cardinal Walter Kasper to speak to all the cardinals of the world, knowing that Kasper would likely argue for change, and that’s precisely what he did.

At the moment, there seem to be two theories percolating in Rome about what Francis is up to regarding divorced and remarried Catholics.

The first holds that the politically savvy Francis is trying to signal to the divorced and remarried that the Church understands their pain and is struggling to reach out to them, without really intending to overturn existing teaching and discipline.

According to this theory, Francis knows that allowing people in a second marriage to receive communion would have mammoth implications for moral and sacramental theology as well as canon law, and that it would also be hard to square with the clear Biblical teaching on marriage: “What God has joined, let no one separate.” Knowing that the eventual decision can’t be one that contradicts Jesus’ words, this theory holds that Francis is trying to soften the blow by letting people know it isn’t an easy call to make.

The second theory holds that Francis really is inclined to change but understands that there’s resistance among many bishops and theologians, so he’s deliberately going slow and trying to bring people along. According to this view, Francis to some extent is caught between two instincts. On the one hand is his personal commitment to mercy, and on the other is his determination to be a “collegial” pope, meaning making decisions in concert with local bishops rather than simply imposing his will. By that logic, Francis is waiting to see what comes out of the synod before pulling the trigger on a policy change.

The meeting this October may not fully clarify which of these theories is correct, since it’s only the opening act of a two-stage process, with another session of the synod scheduled for 2015.

Whichever way things shake out, one thing seems for sure: October is shaping up as a Catholic version of must-see TV.

John L. Allen Jr was senior correspondent of the National Catholic Reporter, a leftwing dissident organization; he is now with the Boston Globe.

 

Pope Francis says he would baptise aliens: ‘Who are we to close doors?’

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/pope-francis-says-he-would-baptise-aliens-9360632.html

The Independent, May 21, 2014

 

Pope Francis has said that he would be willing to baptise aliens if they came to the Vatican, asking “who are we to close doors” to anyone – even Martians.

In a homily yesterday dedicated to the concepts of acceptance and inclusion, Francis recalled a Bible story about the conversion of the first pagans to Christianity, according to reports on Vatican Radio. {See May 12 story on page 1}

He said Catholicism was a church of “open doors”, and that it was up to Christians to accept the Holy Spirit however “unthinkable” and “unimaginable” it appeared.

Describing how, according to the Bible, Peter was criticised by the Christians of Jerusalem for making contact with a community of “unclean” pagans, Francis said that at the time that too was “unthinkable”.

“If, for example, tomorrow an expedition of Martians came to us here and one said ‘I want to be baptised!’, what would happen?” Clarifying that he really was talking about aliens, the Pope said: “Martians, right? Green, with long noses and big ears, like in children’s drawings.”

Francis said that Christianity had struggled from its earliest stages with the temptation to reject “the living presence of God” in various forms.

But he added: “When the Lord shows us the way, who are we to say, ‘No, Lord, it is not prudent! No, let’s do it this way’.  Who are we to close doors?”

While Francis appears to have taken the argument to its logical extreme, this is not the first time that the Vatican has raised the prospect of baptising extra-terrestrial beings. Speaking at the British Science Festival in 2010, one of then-Pope Benedict XVI’s astronomers said he would baptise an alien “if they asked”. While he accepted that the chances of ever getting such an opportunity were slim, Guy Consolmagno {See 2010 story below} said: “Any entity – no matter how many tentacles it has – has a soul.”

Pope’s astronomer says he would baptise an alien if it asked him

http://www.theguardian.com/science/2010/sep/17/pope-astronomer-baptise-aliens

By Alok Jha, The Guardian, September 17, 2010

 

Aliens might have souls and could choose to be baptised if humans ever met them, a Vatican scientist said today. The official also dismissed intelligent design as “bad theology” that had been “hijacked” by American creationist fundamentalists.

Guy Consolmagno, who is one of the pope’s astronomers, said he would be “delighted” if intelligent life was found among the stars. “But the odds of us finding it, of it being intelligent and us being able to communicate with it – when you add them up it’s probably not a practical question.”

Speaking ahead of a talk at the British Science Festival in Birmingham tomorrow, he said that the traditional definition of a soul was to have intelligence, free will, freedom to love and freedom to make decisions. “Any entity – no matter how many tentacles it has – has a soul.” Would he baptise an alien? “Only if they asked.”

Consolmagno, who became interested in science through reading science fiction, said that the Vatican was well aware of the latest goings-on in scientific research. “You’d be surprised,” he said.

The Pontifical Academy of Sciences, of which Stephen Hawking is a member, keeps the senior cardinals and the pope up-to-date with the latest scientific developments. Responding to Hawking’s recent comments that the laws of physics removed the need for God, Consolmagno said: “Steven Hawking is a brilliant physicist and when it comes to theology I can say he’s a brilliant physicist.” Consolmagno curates the pope’s meteorite collection and is a trained astronomer and planetary scientist at the Vatican’s observatory. He dismissed the ideas of intelligent design – a pseudoscientific version of creationism. “The word has been hijacked by a narrow group of creationist fundamentalists in America to mean something it didn’t originally mean at all. It’s another form of the God of the gaps. It’s bad theology in that it turns God once again into the pagan god of thunder and lightning.”

Consolmagno’s comments came as the pope made his own remarks about science this morning at St Mary’s University College in Twickenham. Speaking to pupils, he encouraged them to look at the bigger picture, over and above the subjects they studied. “The world needs good scientists, but a scientific outlook becomes dangerously narrow if it ignores the religious or ethical dimension of life, just as religion becomes narrow if it rejects the legitimate contribution of science to our understanding of the world,” he said. “We need good historians and philosophers and economists, but if the account they give of human life within their particular field is too narrowly focused, they can lead us seriously astray.”

The pope’s astronomer said the Vatican was keen on science and admitted that the church had got it “spectacularly wrong” over its treatment of the 17th century astronomer Galileo Galilei. Galileo confirmed that the Earth went around the sun – and not the other way around – and was charged with heresy in 1633. He spent the rest of his life under house arrest in Tuscany. Only in 1992 did Pope John Paul admit that the church’s treatment of Galileo had been a mistake.

Consolmagno said it was a “complete coincidence” that he was speaking at the British Science Festival at the same time as the papal visit.

 

Aliens?

http://wdtprs.com/blog/2008/05/aliens/

Posted on 13 May 2008 by Fr. John Zuhlsdorf

 

 

By now you will have all seen the story that in L’Osservatore Romano Father Jose Gabriel* was quoted  that it is possible “to admit the existence of other worlds and other forms of life, even those more evolved than ours, without necessarily questioning faith in the Creation, in the incarnation (of God as man through Jesus) and redemption”

This is, of course, what the secular press will run with, from a nearly 2000 word article, with that same penetrating analysis they used when they stumbled around burbling that the Vatican had created a new list of seven deadly sins.

On the other hand, given this YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSbiL3XduvY (VIDEO NOT AVAILABLE -Michael), perhaps I believe that our alien puppet masters are already among us! They are certainly running Call To Action.

 

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/05/13/pope-francis-church-would-baptize-aliens.html, May 13, 2014

Catholic News Service also quickly defended and interpreted** the quirky remarks, saying Francis was trying to make the point that the Church is often overly judgmental when it comes to acceptance and that “if the Holy Spirit prompted the most unusual being to seek baptism, who would we be to hinder that person?”

Francis is not the first Vatican insider to toy with the idea of alien life.  *In 2008, Father Jose Gabriel Funes, director of the Vatican Observatory, told L’Osservatore Romano that “believing in the possible existence of extraterrestrial life is not opposed to Catholic doctrine” in an article entitled “The Alien is my Brother.” He said that since astronomers—even Catholic ones—believe that the universe is made up of 100 billion galaxies, so it is not reasonable to discount that some could have planets. “How could it not be left out that life developed elsewhere?” he pondered in the article. “As a multiplicity of creatures exist on earth, so there could be other beings, also intelligent, created by God. This does not contrast with our faith because we cannot put limits on the creative freedom of God. [According to] Saint Francis, if we consider earthly creatures as ‘brother’ and ‘sister,’ why cannot we also speak of an ‘extraterrestrial brother’? It would therefore be a part of creation.”

Funes’ views were backed up in 2010, when fellow Vatican Observatory astronomer and Jesuit Brother Guy Consolmagno penned the book Intelligent Life in the Universe? Catholic Belief and the Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligent Life. In it, he posed a number of questions, including whether aliens exist, and if they do and have souls, could they be baptized?

The answer, apparently, is yes. “The limitless universe might even include other planets with other beings created by that same loving God,” he wrote in the book. “The idea of there being other races and other intelligences is not contrary to traditional Christian thought. There is nothing in Holy Scripture that could confirm or contradict the possibility of intelligent life elsewhere in the universe.”

 

**Allow Holy Spirit to lead, pope says, even when Spirit is unpredictable
http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/1401934.htm
By Cindy Wooden Catholic News Service, May 12, 2004

VATICAN CITY (CNS) — Christians must recognize that they do not lead or guide the church, but that the Holy Spirit does and the Holy Spirit can be unpredictable, Pope Francis said.
“If, for example, an expedition of Martians arrived tomorrow,” and one said he wanted to be baptized, “What would happen?” the pope asked May 12 during his early morning Mass at the Domus Sanctae Marthae.
Explaining that he really was talking about Martians, something unimaginable, he said he meant beings that are “green, with long noses and big ears, like in children’s drawings.”
According to Vatican Radio, Pope Francis said that if the Holy Spirit prompted the most unusual being to seek baptism, who would we be to hinder that person?
The pope focused his homily on the day’s first reading, Acts 11:1-18, which tells of the Apostles’ discussion — and consternation — over the Holy Spirit descending on a group of Gentiles at a time when the rest of the community of believers came from the Jewish tradition.

From the very beginnings of Christianity, the pope said, church leaders and members have been tempted at times to block the Holy Spirit’s path or try to control it.
“When the Lord shows us the way, who are we to say, ‘No, Lord, it is not prudent! No, let’s do it this way,'” he said. “Who are we to close doors?”
Many parishes, Pope Francis said, have ushers to open the church doors and welcome people in, “but there has never been a ministry for those who close the doors. Never.”

“The Holy Spirit is the living presence of God in the church,” he said. Jesus sent the Spirit after his ascent into heaven to guide the church and lead it forward into uncharted territory.
The Spirit “makes unthinkable, unimaginable choices,” the pope said. “And we Christians must ask the Lord for the grace of docility to the Holy Spirit” in order to follow the Spirit’s lead.
END

 

There seems to be two distinct issues touched upon in the above news stories:

1. The possibility of the existence of life forms outside of Earth (alien or extra-terrestrial life)

2. The possibility of Pope Francis baptising (making Christian ‘in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit’ according to the mandate given by Jesus in Matthew 28:19 [the ‘form’] by infusion, aspersion or immersion in water [the ‘matter’]) those aliens who might seek baptism.

 

Let us eliminate from this analysis the first of the above two points.

The Church’s position on alien life has already been addressed in one of the stories above: “As a multiplicity of creatures exist on earth, so there could be other beings, also intelligent, created by God. This does not contrast with our faith because we cannot put limits on the creative freedom of God.

 

We now analyse the second point, the baptism of aliens.

Baptism is the first of the seven Sacraments of the Catholic Church.

It is normally conferred by a priest who is the ordinary minister, either on infants or on consenting adults.

We would have to consider an alien as an adult since Pope Francis envisages one of them seeking to be baptised.

 

What is the significance of baptism?

Prior to Baptism, the soul is dead. Baptism is a Sacrament of spiritual rebirth; it remits original sin and brings sanctifying grace to our soul by which we become children of God and heirs to the kingdom of heaven.

That being the case, no one should contemplate denying Baptism to a seeking alien from outer space.

But one must ask if any other life form other than the human species has committed original sin.

We are always reminded that the Bible is neither a scientific book nor a historical documentary. It is about salvation history, the intervention of a loving God in the lives of the apex of his creation, man.

To make a long story short, man’s first parents sinned (original sin), God’s only son Jesus had to be incarnated (take human — not animal or alien — flesh), suffer, die, and be resurrected, and institute the Sacrament of Baptism to free man from the domination of Satan and the bondage of original sin and reconcile man to God. This reconciliation included all men who had preceded Jesus, back to Adam and Eve. It did not include other terrestrial life forms, not a single one of them. This gift of Baptism is exclusive to mankind.

Traditionally, baptism has included an exorcism ‘by which the devil is cast out’ and ‘to break the power of Satan over the child’ (My Catholic Faith by Bishop Louis LaRavoire Morrow of Krishnagar).

As a sign of acceptance of the Catholic Faith, the adult candidate must recite the Lord’s Prayer and the Apostles Creed. In the baptism of infants, the child’s godparents on its behalf ‘renounce Satan and all his works’ and solemnly promise to live according to the teachings of Christ and His Church.

One of the requirements of adult baptism is for the candidate to repent of the sins of his past life (“Repent and be baptised… for the forgiveness of your sins”, Acts 2:38)

From my understanding of the Catechism, aliens have to have sinned in order to be baptised. Accordingly, at the very minimum (if they didn’t have the E.T. version of the Decalogue), they be endowed with a conscience, and be consciously aware of God’s law written in their hearts, and then have transgressed it.

My not being a theologian, I am unable to figure out if the above–referred aliens would have to have an understanding and experience of God in Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit similar to ours to deserve baptism.

Further, since Public Revelation has ceased with the 73 books of the Holy Bible and the holy books speak nothing about it, nor does the teaching of the Magisterium, what certainty will we — or the Pope — ever have that E.T. life forms may deserve Baptism in the first place?

So, quoting Pope Francis, how on earth (pun intended) is one to know “when the Lord shows us the way” and “if the Holy Spirit prompted the most unusual being (an alien) to seek baptism“?

The Sacrament of initiation is not one to be taken lightly; with the indelible sign or character that it imprints on the soul, it has major consequences for Christian life and eternal salvation.

 

What about the argument that these until-now-evasive little green men from Mars or wherever may have souls and so should be baptised? Touché.

Let us concede temporarily that ETs are endowed with souls.

Plants and animals too have “souls”.

I quote Bro. Ignatius Mary OMSM from his January 27, 2010 response to a question at http://www.saint-mike.net/qa/sw/viewanswer.asp?QID=1155

St. Thomas Aquinas taught there are three kinds of soul:

1) Vegetative Soul: This is the life force of all living things — plants, animals, and humans

2) Sensitive Soul: This is faculty of sensing our environment — animals and humans have this type.

3) Rational Soul: This is the immortal soul made in the image of God that only humans have, created and placed in the human at the moment of conception.

The living things upon the earth have vegetative soul and/or sensitive soul according to the order of plants and animals. Only humans have rational soul.

 

The Papal astronomer Guy Consolmagno said (page 2): “Any entity – no matter how many tentacles it has – has a soul.”

Very true. But no Catholic priest or Bishop or Pope in the 2000-year tradition of the Church has considered baptising an octopus. And that is probably because no octopus ever approached the Church for receiving Baptism. Which is probably because the Gospel was never preached to the octopodes (plural of octopus).

In the Great Commission, Matthew 28:19, Jesus required the Apostles to “make disciples of all nations, baptizing them…” It never crossed the mind of the great creation lover St. Francis of Assisi (whose life and mission made our Pope to assume his name) to baptize the lower life forms that gave ear to his preaching. God put man in dominion over the earth and the rest of His creation.

And He created man differently.

 

 

 

Scripture says that man is unique; he is “spirit, soul and body” (1 Thessalonians 5:23, cf. Genesis 2:7).

“God created man in his image; in the divine image he created him” (Genesis 1:27).

In CCC 1702, we read that “The divine image is present in every man.”

It doesn’t say that of any other earthly or extraterrestrial life.

CCC 1703 teaches that man is “endowed with a spiritual and immortal soul; the human person is the only creature that God has willed for its own sake. From his conception, he is destined for eternal beatitude.”

CCC 27 says, “The desire for God is written in the human heart, because man is created by God and for God; and God never ceases to draw man to Himself. Only in God will he find the truth and happiness he never stops searching for”

The Church teaches that
“every individual soul was immediately created out of nothing by God”
(Ott, II, 15.4; D 1185).

It doesn’t say that of any other life. This doctrine is sent. certa, (always been held to be true)
which means it is definitive doctrine, level 2 teaching. Anyone denying this doctrine is barred from the Sacraments as they are not in communion with the Church.

Our souls have a unique identity (CCC 366).

Our bodies are finally resurrected and reunited with our souls (1 Thessalonians 4:16; CCC 992-1004).

 

I don’t see a parallel between the baptising of aliens who have every possibility of being very dissimilar to humankind in every respect — that has a bearing on their “desire” to be baptised — and the Apostle Peter’s dilemma over the uncircumcised Gentiles which incident Pope Francis referred to.

 

If the reader can find reliable doctrinal/theological support for the baptism of aliens and extra-terrestrial life, please do contact this writer with your information to enable the modification of this report. Your name and email address will be protected on request.

 

*

A reader has written to this writer that Pope Francis had “described proselytism as “solemn nonsense. It makes no sense”, but in (the matter of baptism of aliens) he says the opposite.

So I decided to check on that.

I find that the jury is still out on that one from the Pope, with everyone debating on the difference between the meanings of “evangelisation” and “proselytism”.

What Did The Pope Really Say? 2 – Proselytism | Fr. Z’s Blog

http://wdtprs.com/blog/2013/10/what-did-the-pope-really-say-2-proselytism/

One reader of Fr. Z’s blog wrote:

#Words have definitions and they mean what they mean. Everyone can SPECULATE as to what the pope means but this man is no spring chicken. He is educated. He has been around the block a few times. I will not take the position that he doesn’t know what words mean to people here or there or any where else. According to Webster’s Unabridged Dictionary, “proselytize” means “to convert or attempt to convert as a proselyte; recruit.” A “proselyte” is defined as “a person who has changed from one opinion, religious belief, sect, or the like, to another; convert.” “Proselytism” is defined as follows: “1. The act or fact of becoming a proselyte; conversion; 2. the state or condition of a proselyte; 3. the practice of making proselytes.” So, here’s my take on what he meant, substituting definitions for the words he used:” [The act or fact of becoming a [person who has changed from one opinion, religious belief, sect, or the like, to another] is solemn nonsense, it makes no sense.” The pope thinks to convert people to Catholicism is nonsense. Just my reading of what words mean.

 

The rest of Fr. Z on this issue:

“Pope Francis Interview in La Repubblica”

“What Did the Pope Really Say?” (1)

“What Did the Pope Really Say?” (2)

“Tornielli Calls into Question Accuracy of Pope Francis’ Interview”

 

Pope Francis on “Proselytism” | Catholic Answers

http://www.catholic.com/blog/jimmy-akin/pope-francis-on-%E2%80%9Cproselytism%E2%80%9D

Jimmy Akin October 21, 2013

One reader of Jimmy Akin’s blog wrote:

#I have become convinced that if Catholic Answers was around during the reign of Pope Liberius you would all defend the excommunication of St Athanasius! This website will soon be the full time ministry of “explaining away Francis”. Good luck with that! I personally have high hopes for this papacy. No post-Vatican II pope has ever made traditionalist look more attractive. What happens when hundreds of millions of people start feeling more catholic than the pope? Hopefully, reform that is long over due!

 

Proselytism, Conversion, and Other “Solemn Nonsense”

http://catholiclane.com/proselytism-conversion-and-other-solemn-nonsense/

 

 

Did Pope Francis just say that evangelization is “nonsense”?

http://www.ncregister.com/blog/jimmy-akin/did-pope-francis-just-say-that-evangelization-is-nonsense-8-things-to-know

 

The Pope: how the Church will change

http://www.repubblica.it/cultura/2013/10/01/news/pope_s_conversation_with_scalfari_english-67643118/

 

Pope Francis’ latest bombshell interview | National Catholic Reporter

http://ncronline.org/blogs/distinctly-catholic/pope-francis-latest-bombshell-interview

 

Francis Interview with La Repubblica: “How I will Change the Church”

www.novusordowatch.org/wire/pope-interview-repubblica.htm

A Traditionalist site; it gives links to around 70 articles on the “proselytism” issue

 

Another statement from Pope Francis that has caused confusion and heartburn for Catholics is:

“I believe in God, not in a Catholic God, there is no Catholic God, there is God” which has caused Catholic-baiters to respond with “and according to some, neither is the Pope”.

 

The Francis Transformation

http://chiesa.espresso.repubblica.it/articolo/1350615?eng=y
EXTRACT

By Sandro Magister, October 3, 2013

Anyone who might wish to understand in what direction Francis intends to proceed and in what he is separating himself from Benedict XVI and from other popes who preceded him need do nothing other than study and compare these four texts.

 

OTHER REPORTS IN THIS SERIES:

QUO VADIS PAPA FRANCISCO 01-WASHING THE FEET OF WOMEN ON MAUNDY THURSDAY

http://ephesians-511.net/docs/QUO_VADIS_PAPA_FRANCISCO_01-WASHING_THE_FEET_OF_WOMEN_ON_MAUNDY_THURSDAY.doc

QUO VADIS PAPA FRANCISCO 02-MEDJUGORJE

http://ephesians-511.net/docs/QUO_VADIS_PAPA_FRANCISCO_02-MEDJUGORJE.doc

QUO VADIS PAPA FRANCISCO 03-HOMOSEXUALITY THE SEX ABUSE CRISIS AND THE GAY LOBBY

http://ephesians-511.net/docs/QUO_VADIS_PAPA_FRANCISCO_03-HOMOSEXUALITY_THE_SEX_ABUSE_CRISIS_AND_THE_GAY_LOBBY.doc

QUO VADIS PAPA FRANCISCO 04-COMPROMISED BY NEW AGE ALTERNATIVE MEDICINE?

http://ephesians-511.net/docs/QUO_VADIS_PAPA_FRANCISCO_04-COMPROMISED_BY_NEW_AGE_ALTERNATIVE_MEDICINE.doc

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EPHESIANS-511.NET- A Roman Catholic Ministry Exposing Errors in the Indian Church Michael Prabhu, METAMORPHOSE, #12,Dawn Apartments, 22,Leith Castle South Street, Chennai – 600 028, Tamilnadu, India. Phone: +91 (44) 24611606 E-mail: michaelprabhu@vsnl.net, http://www.ephesians-511.net

EPHESIANS-511.NET- A Roman Catholic Ministry Exposing Errors in the Indian Church

Michael Prabhu, METAMORPHOSE, #12,Dawn Apartments, 22,Leith Castle South Street, Chennai - 600 028, Tamilnadu, India. Phone: +91 (44) 24611606 E-mail: michaelprabhu@vsnl.net, http://www.ephesians-511.net

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