JUNE 20, 2013
Maria Simma: “Get Us Out Of Here!”
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 8:19 PM Subject: Maria Simma
Have you read the book “Get us out of here!
Maria Simma speaks with Nicky Elitz”, Published by The Medjugorje Web, preface by Fr. Slavko Barbaric, OFM, Medjugorje. I need your comments on this book. Abu Dhabi
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 7:05 PM
Subject: Regarding Maria Simma
Kindly let me know about the authenticity of Maria Simma‘s book, “Get us out of here”. Goa
Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 9:30 PM Subject: RE: MARIA SIMMA
My impression of Maria Simma is 100% negative. I’ve known her personally since 1972. Then I gave her some credit. No more now. So far I know the church never officially gave a positive or negative declaration about her.
She came in my house in 1987 after I had organized a conference in my town Bruges for her.
In 1992 I wrote her a letter after she promised me to answer all my questions. She never responded…
What were my problems with her? :
1° She told me that it was very rear that she could put questions to the ‘poor souls’. Nevertheless she answers daily to people in hundreds of letters…
2° Two sisters on the same day put questions about their common father. They became a DIFFERENT answer…
3° A widow from my town did write 3x to M.S. about her husband. Six months after his death the answer was ‘he still needs 7 Holy Masses’. After these 7 Masses the lady wrote again. Answer ‘still 5 H. Masses’. Some years later after these new 5 H. Masses the answer was ‘still 3 H. Masses…’
In my house M. Simma had told me that these H. Masses are indeed only valid for the mentioned person…
Further I can tell you that Nicky Eltz and Fr Slavko Barbaric* are unreliable persons.
In many dioceses it was forbidden by the bishop that M. Simma should tell her fantasies… To little schoolchildren she spoke about devils and hell so that they had nightmares…
Fr Slavko told me in Medjugorje that he wrote the preface to that book of M. Simma without reading it…
Pax et Bonum, Mark, Catholic apologist, Belgium
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 5:23 PM
Subject: The ‘Obedience’ of ‘Saint’ Fr. Slavko Barbaric in Medjugorje
The ‘Obedience’ of ‘Saint’
Fr. Slavko Barbaric
On 21st February, 2000, (Prot. 203/2000) bishop Peric of Mostar writes:
“Following a number of official letters between the Episcopal Curia, the Franciscan Provincial and Fra Slavko Barbaric concerning the friar being sent away from Medjugorje, where he had for years been carrying out pastoral work illegally, without the approval of the diocesan curia, the diocesan Ordinary proclaims that Fra Slavko Barbaric is deprived of confessional jurisdiction (the faculties of hearing confessions) in the territories of all dioceses of Hercegovina.”
This decree has been published in ‘Vrhbosna’, the official Newsletter of the Diocese of the Metropolis of Sarajevo (n.1/2000, p.65)
In the following pages we shall see how and why measures of this sort were taken, which Medjugorjian publicity has always kept hidden (successfully!)
Slavko Barbaric was one of the 3 priests who were closest to the six children of Medjugorje (the others were Fra Jozo Zovko and Fra Tomislav Vlasic**) Fr. Zovko was jailed in August 1981 -Michael
In October 1984, a short time after Fr. Vlasic had been sent away because of disciplinary measures, bishop Zanic ordered Fr. Slavko not to permit the ‘apparitions’ to take place in the church any more.
Because the friar did not
carry out these orders, on the 30th January 1985 Mons. Zanic ordered him to be sent away from Medjugorje (cf. Ogledalo Pravde-Mirror of Justice-The Diocesan Curia of Mostar concerning the presumed apparitions and messages of Medjugorje, Mostar 2001, p. 59) within 7 days.
Immediately the interventions of the ‘Gospa’ started in favour of Fr. Slavko!
‘Seer’ Ivan confirmed that he had received this ‘message’ from the ‘Gospa’ on 3rd February 1985 : “I wish Slavko to remain here, for him to guide the life of the parish and gather together all the news so that when I no longer appear there will be a complete picture of everything that has happened.” (R. Laurentin-Corpus chronologique des messages, OEIL, 1987, p. 234)
Within 7 days Ivan sent this signed letter to bishop Zanic: “Excellency, I received these messages on Krizevac 6-2—1985: The ‘Gospa’ was not as joyful as before. She said that, during these days, we must pray for the Bishop. Then she said these words sorrowfully: “I am sorry that he has not accepted my apparitions and has not immediately set to work, spreading my messages of peace, conversion, fasting and prayer.”
The ‘Gospa’s’ words for the Bishop are: “Father, I am here in Medjugorje. I have chosen my messengers to give the world the good news and set this world free from the valley of sin, hatred, war, conflict and other sins. Father, do not persecute my priests, messengers of the word of God, if you do not believe in my messengers through whom I give messages and guide them to life. Father, listen to my words and take a stand. Begin to act.”
Medjugorje, 7-2-1985, Ivan Dragicevic
Fra Slavko remained in Medjugorje in opposition
to the bishop, until 15th September when he moved to Blagaj, 25 km. away.
The Franciscan was ordered not to go to Medjugorje anymore, but he disobeyed this order regularly.
Fra Vlasic, who was in Vitina, and was also not
meant to go to Medjugorje, behaved in the same way, and in reality, he continued to have frequent contact with the visionaries. In order to become aware of how often these two visited Medjugorje during these years, it is enough to consult the issues of the ‘Echo of Medjugorje’ or the diary published annually by the ‘official’ story teller Fr. Rene Laurentin at that time.
Because of this, on the 20th August 1986 Mons Zanic wrote to the Franciscan Provincial that Fra Slavko Barbaric and Fra Tomislav Vlasic were running the risk of incurring severe disciplinary sanctions, related to Canon 1336 1, 1,3(cf. R. Laurentin-Racconto e messagio delle apparizioni di Medjugorje, Queriniana 1987,p.193)
On the 15th September 1988 the Franciscan Provincial suggested that Fra Slavko be moved to the Monastery of Humac. The bishop gave his approval on 16th September 1988.
Fra Slavko moved there, but in 1991 he returned permanently to Medjugorje without the Bishops permission (cf. Ogledalo Pravde, book bishop Peric, Mostar, 2001, p. 60)
In 1993 the new bishop Mons Peric was installed in Mostar. He waited until the 20th November 1999 to order Fra Slavko to leave Medjugorje and return to Humac within a period of 15 days.
The Franciscan did not obey.
The bishop renewed the order on the 17th December 1999 without effect.
However on the 26th January 2000 he gave him a canonical warning, bringing to his attention the fact that if he did not leave Medjugorje before 20th February 2000 he would be deprived of the faculty of hearing confessions.
Mons. Peric renewed the aforementioned warning on the 9th February and again on the 15th February (cf. Ogledalo Pravde p.60).
The Franciscan continued to disobey.
Therefore on the 21st February the bishop wrote to Fra Slavko Barbaric that his faculties for hearing confessions had been withdrawn.
The decree was published in Vhrbosna 1/2000, p.65 (see beginning of this article) under the title “Fra Slavko Barbaric is without the faculty of hearing confessions”.
Fra Slavko seemed to obey the following June 20th when he signed the “Declaration of Pastoral Obedience”, but then he continued to remain in Medjugorje as before.
Therefore on the 30th October the bishop had to confirm that he had been deprived of the faculties for hearing confession (cf. Ogledalo Pravde p. 61)
On the 24th November 2000, when he suddenly died, Fra Slavko was still in Medjugorje.
The next day, the 25th November 2000, in the monthly ‘message’ of the ‘Gospa’, we read: “I rejoice with you and wish to tell you that your brother Slavko is born in ‘heaven’ and is interceding for you.”
Remark: This text is a translation of an Italian article “Medjugorje senza maschera” (Medjugorje unmasked) by Marco Corvaglia on his website: marcocorvaglia.blog.lastampa.it/mcor/insubordinazione.html
This journalist is in contact with Mons. Peric, bishop of Mostar, who has jurisdiction about Medjugorje.
Marco Corvaglia is the author of the book “Medjugorje: é Tutto Falso” (Medjugorje: Everything is False). See his huge website.
April 25, 2009, Mark Waterinckx, Belgium
To summarise the above report from Belgian Catholic apologist Mark Waterinckx, Fr Slavko Barbaric who wrote the Preface to Maria Simma‘s book “Get us out of here!“
was a priest who was in living and acting in perpetual disobedience to his local bishop’s orders and directives. He was one of the three priests who were ‘pastoring’ the six ‘seers’ of Medjugorje. And Medjugorje is a scandal-ridden site whose alleged apparitions have never been approved by the local bishops who went so far as to categorically state that they are false.
Since the “Gospa” endorsed his disobedience and rebellion against Church authority, something the Blessed Virgin would never do, one can safely say that it is not the Mother of Jesus who appears at Medjugorje.
**Just for the record about Medjugorje, some crucial information on Fra Tomislav Vlasic, the other priest named in the April 25/29, 2009 letter/report of Mark Waterinckx:
Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2009 1:40 AM
Subject: FW: Medjugorje- guru by Pope reduced to lay status
It is now official: Father Tomislav Vlasic, the 1°’spiritual leader’ of the ‘seers’ of Medjugorje, and always supported by the ‘messages’ of the Gospa (‘ Our Lady ‘!) from Medjugorje, has been reduced by Pope B. XVI to the lay state. He is not Father OFM anymore. He is not a priest anymore. He is even relieved of celibacy and could now theoretically marry the mother (ex-Franciscan nun) of his child Toni.
The official Italian message can be read on
It was signed on March 10 2009 by the Minister General of the Franciscans in Rome, J.R. Carballo OFM.
Ex-Father Tomislav Vlasic, is no longer allowed to speak on Medjugorje, on religious matters or apostolate, and may no longer live in the houses of the Friars Minor.
Last year he was already heavily punished by Rome and exiled because of MANIPULATION OF CONSCIENCES_DUBIOUS DOCTRINE_SUSPECTED MYSTICISM_SCHISM_DISOBEDIENCE_HERESY_CHARGES CONTRA SEXTUM with mystical motivations …
I repeat that this cheater always by ‘Our Lady of Medjugorje in her’ messages’ has been defended and encouraged.
Also Fr René Laurentin defended T. Vlasic as a “big charismatic leader” …
Also the other ‘holy’ Father Jozo Zovko was suspended 3x and exiled by Rome from Medjugorje …
And Father Slavko Barbaric, also declared ‘holy’ by’ Our Lady of Medjugorje’, even though he died in disobedience in Medjugorje, where he had been exiled at the time of his sudden death …
The whole card house collapses into each other. Too bad for the many pilgrims cheated … They need our prayers now.
Our R.C. church is built on Peter the Rock and not on shifting sands of false private ‘revelations’.
From: Mark Waterinckx
Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2009 10:06 PM
Subject: E-mail verzenden: Medjugorje bombshell ex-pastor Tomislav Vlasic laicized, dismissed from Franciscan order
Medjugorje bombshell ex-pastor Tomislav Vlasic laicized, dismissed from Franciscan order
By Richard Chonak, July 24, 2009 […]
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 7:24 PM
Subject: FW: E-mail verzenden: Pope defrocks priest over ‘visions’ of theVirgin Mary
Pope defrocks priest over ‘visions’ of the Virgin Mary
By Simon Caldwell, July 26, 2009 […]
For details, see
This file is being updated regularly -Michael
QUO VADIS PAPA FRANCISCO 02-MEDJUGORJE
Medjugorje-tainted priest — who fathered at least two love-children by nuns — Fr. Slavko Barbaric‘s Preface for Maria Simma‘s “Get us out of here!” does not help the Maria Simma cause one bit.
Maria Laura Pio
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 1:48 PM Subject: RE: MARIA SIMMA
I asked my husband about Maria Simma. He told me that she claims to be in contact with souls of Purgatory and has written a book telling about her experience with those souls.
She has been promoted by the same groups that promote Medjugorje and Garabandal (apparition sites who have not been approved nor condemned by the Church, but whose bishops have been always extremely critical and skeptical. In the case of Medjugorje, I have read the arguments of the bishop and of critical writers, and indeed it has all the characteristics of a case of false apparitions, in spite of the many pilgrims that go there every year).
It seems that no Church authority has taken a position regarding Maria Simma, who died in 2004.
I’ve been navigating the web, and have found mainly positive opinions about her.
There is an interview of her here: http://www.michaeljournal.org/simma.htm
However, I have also found some surprising descriptions of her books. For instance:
“Do you really want to know the truth? Nicky Eltz documents the experiences of the Austrian mystic Maria Simma,
one of the greatest mystics of all time. Maria is visited by holy souls from purgatory who ask her favors and in return answer some of her questions regarding the souls of loved ones and also past, present and future events. She has the answers to many of life’s most perplexing questions. Maria has many stories from the holy souls as to why they are suffering, which are beneficial to our daily lives. She explains the greatest evils in the world today and also the greatest gift that we have which can overcome our weakness. Every home should have a copy of this book. Maria covers everything from raising children (pgs 156, 158) to the occult (pg 111) and casting spells (pg 138). She details many examples in story book fashion to get her points across. The scope of this book is extraordinary. Every adult should read this book.
Every cleric, pastor, priest, bishop, freemason, politician, witch, wizard, or student of the occult must read this book.
Also every participant in the abortion industry as well as anyone contemplating abortion must read this book.
And there is great consolation here for persons and families suffering from the after-effects of abortion or suicide.
Maria teaches us the POWER of LOVE!
There are forces all around us, and Maria teaches us how to deal with them.
Ignorance may be bliss, but ignorance can also be dangerous.
Only the truth will protect us.
Order from our secure server: https://morriscanal.com/guosecure.html“
And an extract from one of her books, “Get us out of Here” page 116 – http://users.skynet.be/courlisius/popes.html:
“Which of all the occult practices is the most dangerous for people to participate in?
Freemasonry. It easily leads to divorce and finally to suicide, but then again other occult involvements do too. However, the Freemasons’ entire goal is to kill off the Church.
The Poor Souls have told me that our last Pope, John Paul I, was murdered, and it was the Freemasons who did it. And when a Cardinal who had held a very important position had also died, a spiritually gifted woman in Carinthia wanted to pray for him. She prayed and was blocked. She prayed repeatedly, but simply couldn’t. One day this same Cardinal himself appeared to her in a fiery state and said, “You cannot pray for me because I am lost due to my Freemasonry. And I have Popes on my conscience.”
Then she and her spiritual director, and it was he who came here and told me this, took this to the Vatican, and again to the highest Officials of the Church. There, one of them, who acknowledged having been at the former one’s deathbed where he had witnessed piercing screams, said that he did not want to die like that and went to confess to the present Holy Father.
So you say that the Freemasons killed Pope John Paul I. Have other Popes or other men high up in the Church been murdered in recent times?
And you believe this woman in Carinthia and her spiritual director?
With no doubt at all.“
I hope this information will be helpful. Personally, after my Vassula Ryden*** experience, I tend to be very skeptical of this type of claims. The very fact that Maria Simma defends herself from using spiritism when she claims to be in regular contact with souls who claim to be from the Purgatory who reveal to her information, as to who is or not in Purgatory, seems contradictory to me [see page 8 –Michael]. Maria Laura, Catholic apologist, Switzerland
***See the sixty-plus articles and reports on Vassula Ryden at this ministry’s web site.
I thought it proper to include some information about Maria Simma before the critiques:
The Secret of the Poor Souls in Purgatory – An interview with Maria Simma of Austria
Today, very little is taught in regular catechism classes about Purgatory, about the suffering that the Poor Souls experience in order to be completely purified to be able to enter into the Kingdom of Heaven. Yet Purgatory does exist, and the sufferings that the Poor Souls experience there are very real.
Since 1940 (she was then aged 25), a privileged soul, named Maria Simma, has had regular visits from the souls in Purgatory to explain their sufferings and to ask for prayers and Masses to be released from Purgatory. Her local Bishop and parish priest told her she could make known these visitations as long as there were no theological errors.
One day, Sister Emmanuel Maillard, a French nun known for her apostolate in favor of the Apparitions of Our Lady in Medjugorje, came across Maria Simma’s book, called The Souls in Purgatory told Me… and read it with great interest: “This book struck me so much because it related very recent testimonies, and also explained very well the Church’s doctrine on the subject… Straight away, I wrote to the editor who told me that Maria Simma is still alive. Quickly, I contacted her, and she agreed to meet me to answer my questions, which were many!”
This interview took place in 1997 at Maria’s house in Sonntag, a very lovely village in the Vorarlberg Mountains in Austria. The following are excerpts from this interview of Sister Emmanuel of Medjugorje with Maria Simma, taken from a booklet entitled: The Amazing Secret of the Souls in Purgatory, published by Queenship Publishing Co., P.O. Box 220, Goleta, CA 93116, USA (Phone 800-647-9882, Fax: 805-967-5843):
(Note: Maria Simma died on March 16, 2004, in Sonntag, at the age of 89.)
Maria, can you tell us how you were visited for the first time by a soul in Purgatory?
Yes, it was in 1940. One night, around 3 or 4 o’clock in the morning, I heard someone coming into my bedroom… I saw a complete stranger. He walked back and forth slowly. I said to him severely: “How did you get in here? Go away!” But he continued to walk impatiently around the bedroom as if he hadn’t heard. So I asked him again: “What are you doing?” But as he still didn’t answer, I jumped out of bed and tried to grab him, but I grasped only air. There was nothing there. So I went back to bed, but again I heard him pacing back and forth.
I wondered how I could see this man, but I couldn’t grab him. I rose again to hold onto him and to stop him from walking around; again, I grasped only emptiness. Puzzled, I went back to bed. He didn’t come back, but I couldn’t get back to sleep. The next day, after Mass, I went to see my spiritual director and told him everything. He told me that if this should happen again, I shouldn’t ask, “Who are you?” but “What do you want from me?”
The following night, the man returned. I asked him: “What do you want from me?” He replied: “Have three Masses celebrated for me, and I will be delivered.”
So I understood that it was a soul in Purgatory. My spiritual director confirmed this. He also advised me never to turn away the poor souls, but to accept with generosity whatever they asked of me.
And afterwards, the visits continued?
Yes. For several years, there were only three or four souls, above all in November. Afterwards, there were more.
What do these souls ask of you?
In most cases, they ask to have Masses celebrated and that one be present at these Masses. They ask to have the Rosary said and also that one make the Stations of the Cross.
M aria, do the souls in Purgatory have, nevertheless, joy and hope in the midst of their suffering?
Yes. No soul would want to come back from Purgatory to the earth. They have knowledge which is infinitely beyond ours. They just could not decide to return to the darkness of the earth.
Here we see the difference from the suffering that we know on earth. In Purgatory, even if the pain of the soul is just terrible, there is the certitude of living forever with God. It’s an unshakeable certitude. The joy is greater than the pain. There is nothing on earth which could make them want to live here again, where one is never sure of anything.
Maria, can you tell us now if it is God who sends a soul into Purgatory, or if the soul itself decides to go there?
It is the soul itself which wants to go to Purgatory, in order to be pure before going to Heaven.
Maria, at the moment of death, does one see God in full light or in an obscure manner?
In a manner still obscure, but, all the same, in such brightness that this is enough to cause great longing.
Maria, can you tell us what the role of Our Lady is with the souls in Purgatory?
She comes often to console them and to tell them they have done many good things. She encourages them.
Are there any days in particular on which She delivers them?
Above all, Christmas Day, All Saints Day, Good Friday, the Feast of the Assumption, and the Ascension of Jesus.
Charity covers a multitude of sins
Maria, why does one go to Purgatory? What are the sins which most lead to Purgatory?
Sins against charity, against the love of one’s neighbour, hardness of heart, hostility, slandering, calumny — all these things.
Here, Maria gives us an example which really struck her which I would like to share with you. She had been asked to find out if a woman and a man were in Purgatory. To the great astonishment of those who had asked, the woman was already in Heaven and the man was in Purgatory. In fact, this woman had died while undergoing an abortion, whereas the man often went to church and apparently led a worthy, devout life.
So Maria searched for more information, thinking she’d been mistaken — but no, it was true. They had died at practically the same moment, but the woman had experienced deep repentance, and was very humble, whereas the man criticized everyone; he was always complaining and saying bad things about others. This is why his Purgatory lasted so long. And Maria concluded: “We mustn’t judge on appearances.”
Other sins against charity are all our rejections of certain people we do not like, our refusals to make peace, our refusals to forgive, and all the bitterness we store inside.
Maria also illustrated this point with another example which gave us food for thought. It’s the story of a woman she knew very well. This lady died and was in Purgatory, in the most terrible Purgatory, with the most atrocious sufferings. And when she came to see Maria, she explained why. She had had a female friend. Between them rose a great enmity, caused by herself. She had maintained this enmity for years and years, even though her friend had many times asked for peace, for reconciliation. But each time, she refused. When she fell gravely ill, she continued to close her heart, to refuse the reconciliation offered by her friend, right up to her deathbed.
Maria, please tell us: who are those who have the greatest chance of going straight to Heaven?
Those who have a good heart towards everyone. Love covers a multitude of sins.
What are the means which we can take on earth to avoid Purgatory and go straight to Heaven?
We must do a great deal for the souls in Purgatory, for they help us in their turn. We must have much humility. This is the greatest weapon against evil, against the Evil One. Humility drives evil away.
The Holy Mass
Maria, can you now tell us what are the most effective means to help deliver the souls in Purgatory?
The most efficient means is the Mass.
Why the Mass?
Because it is Christ who offers Himself out of love for us. It is the offering of Christ Himself to God, the most beautiful offering. The priest is God’s representative, but it is God Himself who offers Himself and sacrifices Himself for us. The efficacy of the Mass for the deceased is even greater for those who attached great value to the Mass during their lives. If they attended Mass and prayed with all their hearts, if they went to Mass on weekdays — according to their time available — they drew great profit from Masses celebrated for them. Here, too, one harvests what one has sown.
A soul in Purgatory sees very clearly on the day of his funeral if we really pray for him, or if we have simply made an act of presence to show we were there. The poor souls say that tears are no good for them: only prayer! Often they complain that people go to a funeral without addressing a single prayer to God, while shedding many tears; this is useless!
There is another means, very powerful, to help the poor souls: the offering of our sufferings, our penances, such as fasting, renunciations, etc., — and of course, involuntary suffering, like illness or mourning.
Maria, you have been invited many times to suffer for the poor souls, in order to deliver them. Can you tell us what you have experienced and undergone during these times?
The first time, a soul asked me if I wouldn’t mind suffering for three hours in my body for her, and that afterwards I could resume working. I said to myself: “If it will all be over after three hours, I could accept it.” During those three hours, I had the impression that it lasted three days, it was so painful. But at the end, I looked at my watch, and I saw that it had only lasted three hours. The soul told me that by accepting that suffering with love for three hours, I had saved her twenty years of Purgatory!
Yes, but why did you suffer for only three hours to avoid twenty years of Purgatory? What did your sufferings have that was worth more?
It is because suffering on earth does not have the same value. On earth, when we suffer, we can grow in love, we can gain merits, which is not the case with the sufferings in Purgatory. In Purgatory, the sufferings serve only to purify us from sin. On earth, we have all the graces. We have the freedom to choose.
All of this is so encouraging because it gives an extraordinary meaning to our sufferings. The suffering which is offered, voluntary or involuntary, even the smallest sacrifices we can make, suffering or sickness, mourning, disappointments… if we live them with patience, if we welcome them in humility, these sufferings can have an unheard-of power to help souls.
The best thing to do, Maria tells us, is to unite our sufferings to those of Jesus, by placing them in the hands of Mary. She is the one who knows best how to use them, since often we ourselves do not know the most urgent needs around us. All this, of course, Mary will give back to us at the hour of our death. You see, these sufferings offered will be our most precious treasures in the other world. We must remind each other of this and encourage each other when we suffer.
Let me add something important: the souls in Purgatory can no longer do anything for themselves; they are totally helpless. If the living do not pray for them; they are totally abandoned. Therefore, it is very important to realize the immense power, the incredible power that each one of us has in our hands to relieve these souls who suffer.
We wouldn’t think twice about helping a child who has fallen in front of us from a tree, and who had broken his bones. Of course, we would do everything for him! So, in the same way, we should take great care of these souls who expect everything from us, attentive to the slightest offering, hopeful for the least of our prayers, to relieve them from their pain. And it might be the finest way to practice charity.
Maria, why can one no longer gain merits in Purgatory, when one can on earth?
Because at the moment of death, the time to earn merits is over. For as long as we are living on earth, we can repair the evil we have done. The souls in Purgatory envy us of this opportunity. Even the angels are jealous of us, for we have the possibility of growing for as long as we are on earth.
But often, the suffering in our lives leads us to rebellion, and we have great difficulty in accepting and living it. How can we live suffering so that it bears fruit?
Sufferings are the greatest proof of the love of God, and if we offer them well, they can win many souls.
But how can we welcome suffering as a gift, and not as a punishment (as we often do), as a chastisement?
We must give everything to Our Lady. She is the one who knows best who needs such and such an offering in order to be saved. We should not always consider sufferings as a punishment. It can be accepted as expiation not only for ourselves, but above all for others. Christ was innocence itself, and He suffered the most for the expiation of our sins. Only in Heaven will we know all that we have obtained by suffering with patience in union with the sufferings of Christ.
Maria, do the souls in Purgatory rebel when faced with their suffering?
No! They want to purify themselves; they understand that it is necessary.
What is the role of contrition or repentance at the moment of death?
Contrition is very important. The sins are forgiven, in any case, but there remains the consequences of sins. If one wishes to receive a full indulgence at the moment of death — that means going straight to Heaven — the soul has to be free from all attachment.
Maria, I would like to ask you: at the moment of death, is there a time in which the soul still has the chance to turn towards God, even after a sinful life, before entering into eternity — a time, if you like, between apparent death and real death?
Yes, yes! The Lord gives several minutes to each one in order to regret his sins and to decide: I accept, or I do not accept to go and see God. Then we see a film of our lives.
I knew a man who believed in the Church’s teachings, but not in eternal life. One day, he fell gravely ill and slid into a coma. He saw himself in a room with a board on which all his deeds were written, the good and the bad. Then the board disappeared as well as the walls of the room, and it was infinitely beautiful. Then he woke up from his coma, and decided to change his life.
Maria, does the devil have permission to attack us at the moment of death?
Yes, but man also has the grace to resist him, to push him away. So, if man does not want anything to do with him, the devil can do nothing.
Maria, what advice would you give to anyone who wants to become a saint here on earth?
Be very humble. We must not be occupied with ourselves. Pride is evil’s greatest trap.
Maria, please tell us: can one ask the Lord to do one’s Purgatory on earth, in order not to have to do it after death?
Yes. I knew a priest and a young woman who were both ill with tuberculosis in the hospital. The young woman said to the priest: “Let’s ask the Lord to be able to suffer on earth as much as necessary in order to go straight to Heaven.” The priest replied that he himself didn’t dare to ask for this. Nearby was a religious sister who had overheard the whole conversation. The young woman died first, the priest died later, and he appeared to the sister, saying: “If only I had had the same trust as the young woman, I too would have gone straight to Heaven.”
Maria, are there different degrees in Purgatory?
Yes, there is a great difference of degree of moral suffering. Each soul has a unique suffering, particular to it; there are many degrees.
Maria, are the sufferings in Purgatory more painful than the most painful sufferings on earth?
Yes, but in a symbolic way. It hurts more in the soul.
Maria, you know, many people today believe in reincarnation. What do the souls tell you concerning this subject?
The souls say that God gives only one life.
But some would say that just one life is not enough to know God and to have the time to be really converted, that it isn’t fair. What would you reply to them?
All people have an interior Faith (conscience); even if they do not practice, they recognize God implicitly. Someone who does not believe — that doesn’t exist! Each soul has a conscience to recognize good and evil, a conscience given by God, an inner knowledge — in different degrees, of course, but each one knows how to discern good from evil. With this conscience, each soul can become blessed.
What happens to people who have committed suicide? Have you ever been visited by these people?
Up to now, I have never encountered the case of a suicide who was lost — this doesn’t mean, of course, that that doesn’t exist — but often, the souls tell me that the most guilty were those around them, when they were negligent or spread calumny.
At this moment, I asked Maria if the souls regretted having committed suicide. She answered yes. Often, suicide is due to illness. These souls do regret their act because, as they see things in the light of God, they understand instantly all the graces that were in store for them during the time remaining for them to live — and they do see this time which remained for them, sometimes months or years —– and they also see all the souls they could have helped by offering the rest of their lives to God. In the end, what hurts them most is to see the good that they could have done but didn’t, because they shortened their lives. But when the cause is illness, the Lord takes this into account, of course.
Are there priests in Purgatory?
Yes, there are many. They didn’t promote respect for the Eucharist. So Faith overall suffers. They are often in Purgatory for having neglected prayer — which has diminished their Faith. But there are also many who have gone straight to Heaven.
What would you say, then, to a priest who really wants to live according to the Heart of God?
I would advise him to pray much to the Holy Spirit — and to say his Rosary every day.
Have you been visited by souls who, on earth, practiced perversions? I am thinking, for example, about the sexual domain.
Yes, they are not lost, but they have much to suffer to be purified. For example: homosexuality. This truly comes from the Evil One.
What advice would you give, then, to all those people afflicted by homosexuality, with this tendency in them?
Pray a lot for the strength to turn away from it. They should above all pray to the Archangel Michael; he is the great fighter par excellence against the Evil One.
What are the attitudes of heart which can lead us to losing our soul for good, I mean going to Hell?
It is when the soul does not want to go towards God, when it actually says: “I do not want.”
Jesus said that it was difficult for a rich person to enter into the Kingdom of Heaven. Have you seen such cases?
Yes! But if they do good works, works of charity, if they practice love, they can get there, just like the poor.
What do you think of the practices of spiritism? For example: calling up the spirits of the departed, Ouija-boards, etc.?
It is not good. It is always evil. It is the devil who makes the table move.
What is the difference between what you are living with the souls of the departed, and the practices of spiritism?
We are not supposed to summon up the souls — I don’t try to get them to come. In spiritism, people try to call them forth.
This distinction is quite clear, and we must take it very seriously. If people were only to believe one thing I have said, I would like it to be this: those who engage in spiritism (moving tables and other practices of that kind) think that they are summoning up the souls of the dead. In reality, if there is <M>some response to their call, it is always and without exception Satan and his angels who are answering. People who practice spiritism (diviners, witches, etc.) are doing something very dangerous for themselves and for those who come to them for advice. They are up to their necks in lies. It is forbidden, strictly forbidden, to call up the dead. As for me, I have never done so, l do not do so, and I never will do so. When something appears to me, God alone permits it.
(End of interview)
This article was published in the January-February, 2004 issue of “Michael”.
We are reading the book “Get us out of here”; it has an Imprimatur. Does that mean the Church agrees that Maria Simma sees and talks with the Poor Souls in Purgatory?
“Printings” starting with May 2002: 1 — 1,500 and ending with Eighth printing, October, 2010: 62,2010: 62,501 — 67,500
The Imprimatur signifies that there is nothing within the material that is contrary to faith or morals. However, it does not necessarily mean that the claims over and above that, within the material are all true.
So regarding the private revelation that you mention, an imprimatur would not claim everything written is true (although it might be), but rather, what is written does not contradict Church teaching. -Paul
My copy was only in the fifth printing, so between my copy and the eighth printing, the book must have received its imprimatur.
We have to be careful to separate theological opinion, which the content of this book is, from the doctrines and dogmas of the Church. I’m sure Maria Simma would agree and understand my point.
See a similar answer I gave on this exact topic:
Where can I read about the Holy Souls being released from Purgatory on Christmas day?
Finally, if you or others have a devotion to the Holy Souls in Purgatory, check out my other web site dedicated to praying for the release of the Holy Souls from Purgatory. We are trying to start Purgatory Prayer Programs across the United States.
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Maria Simma and Our Lady of Medjugorje
Question on 07-30-2003:
Have you ever heard of the visionary, Maria Simma? Is she approved by the Catholic Church? She has a book, Get Us out of Here. It’s about the Poor Souls in Purgatory. A friend of mine is reading this book, and supposedly, one can write to Maria Simma and ask if a loved one is in Heaven, Hell, or Purgatory. I am very leery of doing this and told my friend I would write and ask your opinion. My friend is also interested in Our Lady of Medjugorje. What should I tell her about that? Unfortunately, my friend does not have access to the internet where she can ask these questions on her own. Thank you very much. Your forum is awesome! Janet
Answer by Catholic Answers on 08-28-2003:
I could not find much information available online about the status of Maria Simma. Because so little information is available, I would suggest staying away from alleged visionaries that one can’t find out much about.
The invitation to write to her for information about the fate of one’s loved ones is also a definite red flag. Even assuming Simma has been given by God a gift to know these destinies, indiscriminately sharing the information with anyone who asks undercuts the Church’s command to pray for the dead. For example, if Simma told someone that the person’s loved one was either in heaven or in hell, that person would no longer be prayed for (no need in either case). And if Simma is wrong? A soul in purgatory is being deprived of much-needed prayers.
In any event, even authentic private revelation is never binding on anyone except the person to whom the authentic private revelation is given (cf. Catechism of the Catholic Church 67). The alleged apparitions of the Blessed Mother at Medjugorje would also be private revelation, and in this case the accounts of those alleged apparitions have been disapproved of by two successive bishops of the diocese where Medjugorje is located.
I would say that your instincts in this matter are good; listen to them. God bless. Michelle Arnold, Catholic Answers
I have been reading about Maria Simma and the regular visitations she had for years from souls in Purgatory. What is the official Church stance about these revelations about Purgatory? –Paula
The Church has so far not investigated the alleged private revelations to Maria Simma. Of the hundreds of claims currently pending, only a handful will ever be officially approved; many others will be ruled false, and the remainder will have attracted too little attention to be significant enough to warrant investigation. It is good to remember that private revelations do not belong to the deposit of faith. No one, therefore, is obligated to believe them, not even those which are officially approved as containing nothing contrary to the faith.
It is the policy of the Coming Home Network International Forum not to comment on or allow advocacy of such reported phenomena until such time as they are officially approved by the bishop of the locale or by the Vatican. –David
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