JANUARY 8, 2013
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“Stephentlig“‘s joining date on “christianforums” is February 21, 2009. His first post was made the same day. He evidently joined just to promote
and True Life In God
[TLIG]. When the thread got diverted to discussions that excluded Vassula Ryden, Stephentlig engineered it back on track two days later.
It is to my understanding that the protestant denominations hold to their hearts dearly the word of God. They claim that Mary is not the mother of us all, yet since they know the word of God well, how come they failed to see this part of scripture in the bible?
Revelation: 12:17 ”Then the dragon was enraged with the woman and went away to make war on the rest of her children, that is, all who obey God’s commandments and bear witness for Jesus.”
Jesus revealed this to Mystic Vassula Ryden of the Orthodox Church. Jesus is using Vassula to unite his church and take everyone back to Love. Stephentlig
I just read some of the things Vassula Ryden has said. She says, among other things, that the church will be united.
She states she is Greek Orthodox with adherence to the Pope. Which way does she say the unity would go, with Eastern Orthodox or the Catholic Church?
There used to be a guy on TV sometimes, he used to get “messages” from the other side the same way. Brother I am not putting you down in your beliefs, I am just fearful of them. Prophets, just because they claim to be one, don’t make them so. Use extreme discernment and prayer. Neriah
Though Vassula has not been declared by the Church as a Prophet, she may one day be recognized as such. However, that we may have Prophets in our times is well recorded in our Bible, where it is revealed in: Acts 2:17, Matthew 7:15-17
God has spoken through a donkey, why not a lay woman? (Numbers 22:28)
Vassula’s relation to the Orthodox Church?
The Orthodox Churches do not have a unified ecclesiastical hierarchy. With respect to TLIG most of them prefer to maintain a “wait & see” attitude.
The Editor of one of the journals of the Orthodox Church of Greece states that Vassula has by her own accord “excommunicated herself in form, if not in substance”. Nothing could be farther from the truth. Not only Vassula has not excommunicated herself (an event that is not possible in the Orthodox Canon, as excommunication is an act of “anathema” rendered by a Bishop, not a lay person) but she maintains her standing in the Orthodox Church by having an Orthodox Priest as her confessor.
Again, misinformation that circulates against TLIG includes a statement that Vassula receives Holy Communion from the Roman Catholic Church, an event that would render an Orthodox in violation of the Orthodox Canon that prohibits Orthodox from receiving the Eucharist from a Church that the Orthodox have excommunicated (as for example the Roman Catholic Church). This statement (or perception) is simply wrong, because in 1965 both the Pope Paul VI and the Patriarch of Constantinople, Athenagoras HAVE LIFTED the excommunication toward one another, and as a consequence, the Roman Catholic Church now permits the Orthodox to receive the Eucharist (Canon 844 §3). The decision of Patriarch Athenagoras to lift the Excommunication of the Roman Church was reaffirmed by his successor, Patriarch Dimitrios who directed that “an Orthodox could receive Holy Communion from a Roman Catholic Priest”.
Yet, it appears that Church politics interfere with God’s desires that we may all be one. The Orthodox Bishops have been too slow to accept the lifting of the excommunication, and they have been pressuring Bartholomew I, the current Orthodox Patriarch of Constantinople, to distance his Church from the Roman Church.
Nevertheless, the former excommunication remains lifted! Therefore, officially, the Orthodox do not consider the Roman Catholic as excommunicated, in spite of what certain Orthodox Bishops choose to do! Why would then be wrong for any Orthodox to receive Holy Communion from a Roman Catholic Priest?
The previous notwithstanding, for the Orthodox Churches to approve TLIG as one body, it probably requires a world-wide synod… something that last happened in the eighth century AD. The author believes that only a divine intervention would cause the Orthodox to convene in a Panorthodox Synod in order to approve TLIG!
No violation of her free will is involved
The most common objection to the authenticity of the True Life in God messages that is made by Vassula’s fiercest critics is that the messages are received through a form of automatic handwriting. This involves an entity moving Vassula’s hand to write whatever it is that the entity wants her hand to write. This entity, the critics say, cannot be God because God would never deprive someone of their free will in this way. He would not force someone’s hand to write His message – he would leave them free to choose whether to write or not to write.
This objection is based on a misunderstanding of how Vassula receives and writes down the True Life in God messages. It is true that the very first message that Vassula received – from her guardian angel, Daniel – was received as a result of her hand being moved to write, ‘I am your guardian angel, Daniel’. And it is true that there are occasions within the messages where God takes over Vassula’s hand and writes something ‘Himself’. However, the vast, overwhelming majority of True Life in God messages was received through the form of locutions, where Vassula receives a mental inspiration and writes down what she is inspired to hear or see or think. No violation of her free will is involved: she writes down, as best she can, the locution that she has received moving her own hand herself. Just like someone taking dictation.
Of course, it might be said by Vassula’s critics that the very small number of occasions where her hand is taken over establish that she is not receiving messages from God. If she were, they would argue, God would never take over her hand. But one could argue that on those occasions, God does have Vassula’s consent to take over her hand, and so no violation of free will is involved on these occasions either. Stephentlig
Might I also add that the above, Acts 2:17, is a prophecy given by Our Lord to Vassula, about the children of Fatima, Garabandal and Medjugorje. “Young people see visions”. The last days started after Fatima. Stephentlig
I invite you Neriah to come over to True Life In God and start reading the messages. The church is on its way to unity at the minute, our Lord told Vassula that once the two sisters unite (orthodox and Catholics) that the third tongue (the protestants) will come home. Stephentlig
I have been looking at the Church’s position on Vassula Ryden: http://www.ewtn.com/library/CURIA/CDFRYDN.HTM.
NOTIFICATION ON VASSULA RYDEN (6 October 1995) Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith
In addition to pointing out the suspect nature of the ways in which these alleged revelations have occurred, it is necessary to underscore several doctrinal errors they contain.
These alleged revelations predict an imminent period when the Antichrist will prevail in the Church. In millenarian style, it is prophesied that God is going to make a final glorious intervention which will initiate on earth, even before Christ’s definitive coming, an era of peace and universal prosperity. Furthermore, the proximate arrival is foretold of a Church which would be a kind of pan-Christian community, contrary to Catholic doctrine.
The fact that the aforementioned errors no longer appear in Ryden’s later writings is a sign that the alleged “heavenly messages” are merely the result of private meditations.
Moreover, by habitually sharing in the sacraments of the Catholic Church even though she is Greek Orthodox, Mrs. Ryden is causing considerable surprise in various circles of the Catholic Church. She appears to be putting herself above all ecclesiastical jurisdiction and every canonical norm, and in effect, is creating an ecumenical disorder that irritates many authorities, ministers and faithful of her own Church, as she puts herself outside the ecclesiastical discipline of the latter.
Given the negative effect of Vassula Ryden’s activities, despite some positive aspects, this Congregation requests the intervention of the Bishops so that their faithful may be suitably informed and that no opportunity may be provided in their Dioceses for the dissemination of her ideas. Lastly, the Congregation invites all the faithful not to regard Mrs. Vassula Ryden’s writings and speeches as supernatural and to preserve the purity of the faith that the Lord has entrusted to the Church.
NOTIFICATION ON VASSULA RYDEN (Dec 1996) Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith
In this regard, the Congregation wishes to state:
1) The Notification addressed to the Pastors and faithful of the Catholic Church retains all its force. It was approved by the competent authorities and will be published in Acta Apostolicae Sedis, the official organ of the Holy See, with the signatures of the Prefect and the Secretary of the Congregation. [*]
2) Regarding the reports circulated by some news media concerning a restrictive interpretation of this Notification, given by His Eminence the Cardinal Prefect in a private conversation with a group of people to whom he granted an audience in Guadalajara, Mexico, on 10 May 1996, the same Cardinal Prefect wishes to state:
a) as he said, the faithful are not to regard the messages of Vassula Ryden as divine revelations, but only as her personal meditations;
b) these meditations, as the Notification explained, include, along with positive aspects, elements that are negative in the light of Catholic doctrine;
c) therefore, Pastors and the faithful are asked to exercise serious spiritual discernment in this matter and to preserve the purity of the faith, morals and spiritual life, not by relying on alleged revelations but by following the revealed Word of God and the directives of the Church’s Magisterium
In this regard, the Congregation wishes to state the following:
1) The Notification of 1995 remains valid as a doctrinal judgment of the writings examined (see Enclosure I)
Letter to Presidents of Episcopal Conferences (25 January 2007) Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith
William Cardinal Levada, Prefect
Stephen, the Church has continued to assert her revelations are not divine revelations, but simply personal meditations.
Now unless that changes in the future, I wouldn’t be messing with her and her words. Neriah
“NOTIFICATION ON VASSULA RYDEN (6 October 1995) Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith”
Subjective analysis on Vassula Ryden True Life In God.
The Vatican has reviewed the TLIG Messages for 2 ½ years, and their formal dialog is to be found here
Upon the conclusion of this dialog, the then Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, (“CDF”), then Cardinal Ratzinger, now Pope Benedict XVI, has declared that: “The faithful, at the disposition of the local Bishop, may participate in the ecumenical prayer groups of Mrs. Ryden”.
What this statement clearly says is:
a) The TLIG Messages are not condemned (if they were, CDF would state so), and
b) It implies is that there is no objection to the TLIG inspirations, and the faithful may gather in ecumenical groups read them, if the local Bishop agrees.
Some Catholic Bishops do agree, and the TLIG Messages have received both the official “Imprimatur” (this means it can be printed and read by Roman Catholics) and “Nihil Obstat” (this means there are no objections for Roman Catholics to read).
It should be noted that among the misinformation against TLIG that one can find in the Internet, some erroneously state that Imprimatur and Nihil Obstat should not have been issued in light of the “Notification”. Such statements are wrong in that the Notification issued is one of caution, not a prohibition!
“The Roman Catholic Church Does Not Approve TLIG”
In January of 2007, Cardinal Levada of the CDF stated in a letter (see Attachment #2) that (a) the “old notification” of 1995 stands, (b) that Vassula maintains that the Messages are not divine but personal meditations and (c) that the faithful should not pray in TLIG prayer groups. Looking at each of these points:
a. The 1995 Notification instructed the faithful to “read with Caution, because TLIG has theological errors”. It cited such errors, as for example: “Vassula calls Jesus “Father”; and “The antichrist will prevail” (this latter statement is Not in TLIG – read TLIG, March 17, 1993), etc.
In fact, never did the CDF instruct the faithful not to read TLIG, but to read it with caution! No one argues with this (see answers to objection #1). However, there are theological problems with the “errors” cited in that 1995 Notification, which cause serious doubts to a faithful but also sincere, impartial, yet knowledgeable reader regarding the validity of that Notification. For example, the 1995 Notification states that Vassula confuses the persons of the Holy Trinity, because she calls Jesus “Father” when Yahweh is the Father, and Jesus is the Son… this of course contrasts sharply with the words of Jesus that “I and the Father are One”; and “he who sees Me, sees He who sent me (the Father)”. For an in depth Response to the older Notification, please read: “Touched By The Spirit of God–Vassula and the CDF” By Fr. Edward D. O’Connor CSC
b. Vassula emphatically disagrees that she has ever said that the Messages are not of divine inspiration.
c. Cardinal Levada’s comment for the faithful to not participate in prayer with TLIG groups is most strange, and definitely in contradiction with the Canons cited in the letter, namely 215 and 223 §1. These Canons encourage people to form associations and to pray! Any statements that invite the faithful not to pray with other Christians is simply unchristian!
Given the above, the Pope’s letter (Attachment #1)… is the best he could do, and he did so, in support of TLIG!
Some Orthodox and some Roman Catholic Bishops (at local level) approve of TLIG and some do not approve. However, no formal Orthodox or Roman Catholic position on TLIG has been pronounced.
Certainly, according to the Roman Catholic Canon 50, if the Church is to arrive at a conclusion, it must hear the defense of the person under scrutiny. The “dialog” between Vassula and the Vatican concluded satisfactorily for TLIG, as evident by the fact that Pope Benedict XVI (a) agreed to publish this dialog in the TLIG books – it has been included in Volume 12 of the handwritten edition – and (b) issued the clarification letter (Attachment #1).
There have been no additional formal “hearings” specific to TLIG by either the Roman Catholic or the Orthodox Church and TLIG remains not condemned by either.
Protestant Churches are by and large not aware of TLIG; hence there is nothing to comment upon.
One may postulate on difficulties that mainline Protestants may have with Catholic (Orthodox and Roman) Traditions not explicitly stated in the Bible, such as Confession to a Priest, the true nature of the Holy Eucharist, salvation through faith alone, prayers to the Holy Mother and the Saints, etc. It is not the purpose of this document to discuss doctrinal differences between Protestants and Catholics… however the author believes these differences stem from serious misunderstandings that can be explained away in a brotherly and humble way.
“My Bishop/Priest tells me to stop with TLIG“
This is a delicate issue. One the one hand, Jesus does not advocate anarchy or rebellion in His Church. On the other hand he tells us that we ought to be one. Simply put, we ought to obey Jesus before we owe obey His Church, and especially with regard to the Orthodox vs. Roman Catholic Churches, the Churches are no longer excommunicated though differences continue to remain.
Consequently, we need to remember that individual Clergy have their own opinions – Some are right, some are wrong, and in humility and patience we ought to stand firm with our Clergy reminding them that TLIG is not condemned and that if they oppose TLIG, they should reconsider their position by digging deeper into the issues, as there are a great many who advocate in favor of TLIG.
Any Bishop/Priest’s opinion is subject to the authority of the Holy See, and the Holy See HAS NOT CONDEMNED TLIG.
Therefore an individual Clergyman should be cautious before condemning something that we claim is the Word of God in our times!
We also need to remember that Popes John Paul II and Benedict XVI have blessed TLIG.
Jesus does not want rebels, so obey the Bishop/Priest, but obey Jesus above all, therefore: (a)when the Church closes the door, find a window; (b) when you want to evangelize do not forget to turn to those that need it the most, e.g. the un-churched, the sick, the prisoners.
“I have enough, I do not need anything else Spiritual“
Such a claim requires deep reflection/meditation. The one who thinks this way should be helped to answer for himself the following questions:
a. Are you sure you are already a Saint?
b. Do you believe in God, and if yes: Is He dead? If He is alive then can He speak to us? If He speaks to us, would He not do it as he has always done in the past? Isn’t His Word life, including Spiritual life? Why wouldn’t anyone want more life, more Spirituality? Is our enemy putting such thoughts in our minds?
“TLIG is a Cult“
This notion is absolute nonsense. None of the Cult characteristics exist in TLIG, for example:
No “New Revelations” are introduced in TLIG. The themes are absolutely consistent with the Bible.
No personal following of Vassula is practiced nor does it exist; TLIG converts are true and faithful Christians that follow the true God of the Holy Trinity.
The “Fruits” are good – see (link missing) for the “fruits” of the testimonies from thousands of people and clergy.
Contrary to a lot of “spiritualists” who are possessed and write, the TLIG Messages are Hieratic writing, and Vassula’ s hand is not “grabbed”. She remains in full possession of her faculties, and receives locutions, just as all Saints have done in the past.
You, as a convert to TLIG are free to come and go as you please.
No brainwashing takes place. Individuals are encouraged to stay in their Church and to become better followers of their Church.
Vassula earns NOTHING from presentations, books, nor does anyone around her.
No dues required; regional voluntary groups have been set up as those regions see fit, for charity purposes. For example in the USA a 501c3 designated charitable organization has been set up, under the scrutiny of the US Government, customary for such charitable organizations.
Far too many clergy from all Christian (and non Christian) denominations read TLIG, while they remain faithful to their Church.
So you see she is not condemned by the church. Stephentlig
defending-vassula.org/: Here is the website that defends Vassula’s cause and shows clearly that the faithful are allowed to read and promote the messages. As for her receiving communion, it is right here in code of Canon Law that she can receive communion
Canon 844 #3 ”Catholic ministers may lawfully administer the sacraments of penance, the Eucharist and anointing of the sick to members of the eastern churches not in full communion with the catholic Church, if they spontaneously ask for them and are properly disposed. The same applies to members of other Churches which the apostolic see judges to be in the same position as the aforesaid eastern Churches so far as the sacraments are concerned.” Stephentlig
No Stephen, she is not condemned by the Church. She is not approved either though. I would still be very, very careful with all that has been said of her.
The part that states she was taking communion while not being Catholic is disturbing. Neriah
VASSULA RYDEN-PROBLEMS WITH ROME BUT WELCOME IN INDIA
VASSULA RYDEN-A CDF NOTIFICATION BISHOPS WARNINGS AND THEOLOGICAL CRITIQUES
VASSULA RYDEN-THE EUCHARIST AND INTERCOMMUNION ONE DATE AND PAN-CHRISTIAN ECUMENISM
VASSULA RYDEN-EXCOMMUNICATED OR NOT-A LAW SUIT
VASSULA RYDEN-THE REASONS FOR THE CHURCH’S NEGATIVE REACTION
VASSULA RYDEN-FR FRANCOIS MARIE DERMINE
VASSULA RYDEN-FR MITCH PACWA
VASSULA RYDEN-FR PETER JOSEPH
VASSULA RYDEN-FR BRIAN HARRISON
VASSULA RYDEN-MARIA LAURA PIO
VASSULA RYDEN-MARK WATERINCKX
VASSULA RYDEN-CARDINAL BASIL HUME
VASSULA RYDEN-A CRITIQUE-DIALOGUE CENTRE INTERNATIONAL
VASSULA RYDEN’S JESUS-INGERLISE PROVSTGAARD
VASSULA RYDEN-RICHARD SALBATO
VASSULA RYDEN-JOE NICKELL
VASSULA RYDEN-CONSTANCE CUMBEY
VASSULA RYDEN-RONALD L CONTE
VASSULA RYDEN-AN ORTHODOX CHRISTIAN
VASSULA RYDEN-LAURENCE ENGLAND
VASSULA RYDEN-LAURETTE ELSBERRY
VASSULA RYDEN-RICHARD CHONAK
VASSULA RYDEN-TERRY NELSON
VASSULA RYDEN-CATHOLIC ANSWERS
VASSULA RYDEN-CATHOLIC DOORS
VASSULA RYDEN-BENEDICT TANG
VASSULA RYDEN-BRO IGNATIUS MARY
VASSULA RYDEN-INTERNATIONAL MARIAN RESEARCH INSTITUTE
VASSULA RYDEN-INVESTIGATE VASSULA
VASSULA RYDEN-SUSAN BRINKMANN
VASSULA RYDEN-TE DEUM
VASSULA RYDEN-DANIEL KLIMEK
VASSULA RYDEN-TONY-ALLEN CUCOLO
VASSULA RYDEN-ASK A CATHOLIC
VASSULA RYDEN-ORTHODOX CHRISTIANITY
VASSULA RYDEN-SEMPER FI
CDF, OCTOBER 6, 1995
VASSULA RYDEN-THE TLIG APOLOGISTS
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