Patriarch of Constantinople denounces Vatican: Vassula Ryden



JANUARY 9, 2013

Patriarch of Constantinople denounces
Vatican: Vassula Ryden

http://www.catholicforum.com/forums/showthread.php?17824-Vatican-Vassula-Ryden

 

A 1995 warning by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith has been reaffirmed in 2007 in a private letter to the heads of the world’s episcopal conferences.
Ryden, now 65, is a self-proclaimed Greek Orthodox Egyptian mystic. She has published thousands of pages in her journals under the title True Life in God, and has toured the world speaking to Christian groups for nearly twenty years, sometimes in Catholic churches.
See the following documents:
1995 Notification of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith on Vassula Ryden
http://www.catholicculture.org/library/view.cfm?id=5193
2007 Clarification of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith on Vassula Ryden
http://www.catholicculture.org/libra…fm?recnum=7748. –Watchdog, August 31, 2007

 

Thanks Watchdog for this important information on Vassula Ryden.
If I am not mistaken, isn’t the CDF making the warnings because she is not under a Catholic Bishop’s authority, since she herself is not Roman Catholic? –Fatima

 

From the CDF’s Notifications on her, it’s her – as a Greek Orthodox wrongly receiving Catholic Communion – which became one of several even more important (doctrinally speaking) “elements” of Vassula Ryden’s writings which gets stuck in the Church’s craw… [See Below]
The CDF brings it further than that fact that she sometimes receives Communion at a Catholic Mass, Fatima.
From the 1995 “Notification”, I glean that these following “elements” of Vassula Ryden which were deemed that they “must be considered negative in the light of Catholic doctrine” by the CDF:
The CDF deemed this worthy of explorative consideration “the suspect nature of the ways in which these alleged revelations have occurred”.
Subsequently, and according to Vassula Ryden in communication with the CDF, they’re not “divine revelations but, rather … personal meditations”
Then, we have these additional “elements” from the CDF:

“ambiguous language is used in speaking of the Persons of the Holy Trinity, to the point of confusing the specific names and functions of the Divine Persons.” “These alleged revelations predict an imminent period when the Antichrist will prevail in the Church. In millenarian style, it is prophesied that God is going to make a final glorious intervention which will initiate on earth, even before Christ’s definitive coming, an era of peace and universal prosperity. Furthermore, the proximate arrival is foretold of a Church which would be a kind of pan-Christian community, contrary to Catholic doctrine. The fact that the aforementioned errors no longer appear in Ryden’s later writings is a sign that the alleged “heavenly messages” are merely the result of private meditations.”

“Moreover, by habitually sharing in the sacraments of the Catholic Church even though she is Greek Orthodox, Mrs. Ryden is causing considerable surprise in various circles of the Catholic Church. She appears to be putting herself above all ecclesiastical jurisdiction and every canonical norm, and in effect, is creating an ecumenical disorder that irritates many authorities, ministers and faithful of her own Church, as she puts herself outside the ecclesiastical discipline of the latter.”
Ref: http://www.catholicculture.org/library/view.cfm?id=5193
Another Link re: The CDF and Vassula Ryden
http://www.catholicculture.org/library/view.cfm?id=5194. –Watchdog, September 3, 2007

 

 

 

 

My comments in regards to the CDF stepping into Vassula’s messages is because some people are comparing this CDF’s conclusion with the silence that they had had towards the apparitions and messages of Medjugorje. People think that because the CDF has given a pastoral guidance in regards to Vassula’s messages with a negative result that the apparition of Medjugorje must then be true. They think that the CDF has to do the same with Medjugorje. But, I believe that it is not the same as with Vassula since, Vassula is not under a jurisdiction of a Catholic Bishop, who is the authority in pronouncing
the authenticity of the apparitions if it is under his jurisdiction and the seers are Catholic.
So, watchdog, would you say that the CDF had all the rights to step in and give us a warning on Vassula Ryden just because she is not a Catholic and therefore she does not have to be under the jurisdiction of a Bishop?
But, in the other hand, apparitions that happen to Catholics who are under a Catholic Bishop’s jurisdiction are to be taken care of by the Bishop and pastoral care should be then given by the Bishop to them as well as to the faithful who come to the places of apparitions. Aren’t these two different cases? –Fatima

 

You will find that the Orthodox Churches are no happier with this troubled woman.
My own bishop, Abba Seraphim, the Metropolitan of Glastonbury has issued this statement on her:

5 August 2005
To: the clergy of the British Orthodox Church with pastoral responsibility and to all the faithful.
My dear Fathers & Brethren,
Literature is currently circulating advertising a public meeting to be held in Central Hall, Westminster on 10 September 2005, where the speaker will be Mrs. Vassula Rydén. This has been arranged by an organisation known as ‘True Life in Christ’ which exists to promote the prophetic messages received by Mrs. Rydén, which “inspirations through the form of locutions and … interior visions”, she attributes to either our Lord Jesus Christ or to the Holy Mother of God.
Mrs. Rydén was born in Egypt in 1942 of Greek Orthodox parents and was baptised in the Greek Orthodox Church. She professes to be “committed fully” to the Greek Orthodox Church, although she admits that “Some of the Greek Orthodox hierarchy totally reject me …” in part because she espouses a position which seems representative of Roman Catholic spirituality; calls for the Orthodox hierarchy to acknowledge the Pope as ‘Vicar of Christ’ and usually communicates at Catholic altars, justifying this by quoting the Decree Orientarium Ecclesiarum of Vatican II.
She has found enthusiastic supporters among numbers of Anglican, Catholic and Orthodox clergy and has often utilised the opportunities offered by ‘Inter-religious Pilgrimages’ (such as her ones to the Holy Land in March 2000 and to Egypt in October 2002) to cultivate members of the local hierarchy, who are not always fully aware of all her activities.
Having studied published statements by Mrs. Rydén I feel it is appropriate to offer the following guidance to the clergy and faithful:
1. In receiving the sacraments at altars other than those of the Orthodox Church, Mrs Rydén is disregarding Orthodox canonical discipline which forbids this.
2. Mrs. Rydén should seek the canonical permission and blessing of the local Orthodox hierarch having jurisdiction in each place, prior to addressing public meetings, rather than act in the face of their sometimes expressed opposition and criticism.
3. Until such time as a canonical Orthodox hierarchy is able to make a detailed and full examination of the messages received by Mrs. Rydén, they should be regarded with grave caution and their authority attributed solely to the views and aspirations of Mrs. Rydén herself, rather than any angelic, saintly or divine source.
+ Seraphim
Metropolitan of Glastonbury
Note: The statement in the True Life in God UK Newsletter No. 6 (November 2005) that His Eminence Abba Seraphim along with H.M. Queen Elizabeth II and the Archbishop of Canterbury, “sent us their good wishes for the meeting” is untrue. An invitation was sent to Abba Seraphim and a reply sent on his behalf stating that he had another engagement and would be unable to attend, but asking to be kept on the TLIG mailing list and for copies of the documentation supplied to be sent to other Orthodox hierarchs in the United Kingdom.

[http://www.britishorthodox.org/113b.php]

I hope it is in order to post this here, but I think that all the Faithful need to be warned here. –Anglian

Quite the contrary, Anglian, thank you for posting this message from Abba Seraphim. The message reinforces what our Catholic authorities have said about this poor woman and, hopefully, may bring more people to awareness about her errors. –Carol, Administrator

I have her books and at first I believed its authenticity but now I don’t. There are many websites that explains and for me, infovassula.ch is the best. –Thomas, October 20, 2007

Hi Thomas, I don’t often see someone nowadays saying that they’ve changed their mind about something that they’d deeply and/or strongly believed. Being able to do that is the necessary disposition for Growth for all who have harmful and/or useless beliefs or habits to discard.
I’m going to stick my neck out a bit with this following:
I believe that the underlying intentions people have for following people such as a Ryden can be valid; however, these underlying intentions should be realized and redirected.
One problem identified – and I’m not saying it is/was in your case – that some have who wind up mistakenly following false marian visionaries is, is that some may wind up inadvertently neglecting the ultimate Goal of our spiritual quest; namely, our Lord.
In those cases, the way I might very imperfectly phrase it:
For some Jesus becomes obfuscated to a degree, because they’ve been fooled by the belief that something ‘supernatural’ was occurring through Ryden.

 

Ryden
connected with Mary who – being the mother of Jesus – represents Heaven …the supernatural …salvation …and some people therefore become followers of Ryden rather than Jesus.
However, back to Jesus, perhaps we all are easily distracted from Him in many ways, and are always called to recall:
Jesus – along with God the Father – are at the very center of Heaven.
Jesus is the Lamb of God and the Door to our Heavenly Father. We encounter our High Priest and Lord in the Eucharist, and in the Virtue of Hope, and in our meditative Contemplation of the Kingdom of the King of Kings, and in His Gospel Scriptures, and through others we meet, and in our very Hearts through Prayer.

I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one: I in them and you in me. May they be brought to complete unity to let the world know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me. “Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world. Righteous Father, though the world does not know you, I know you, and they know that you have sent me. I have made you known to them, and will continue to make you known in order that the love you have for me may be in them and that I myself may be in them.” –Watchdog, October 21, 2007

 

See

PRIVATE REVELATION

http://ephesians-511.net/docs/PRIVATE_REVELATION.doc

VASSULA RYDEN-PROBLEMS WITH ROME BUT WELCOME IN INDIA

http://ephesians-511.net/docs/VASSULA_RYDEN-PROBLEMS_WITH_ROME_BUT_WELCOME_IN_INDIA.doc

VASSULA RYDEN-A CDF NOTIFICATION BISHOPS WARNINGS AND THEOLOGICAL CRITIQUES

http://ephesians-511.net/docs/VASSULA_RYDEN-A_CDF_NOTIFICATION_BISHOPS_WARNINGS_AND_THEOLOGICAL_CRITIQUES.doc

VASSULA RYDEN-THE EUCHARIST AND INTERCOMMUNION ONE DATE AND PAN-CHRISTIAN ECUMENISM

http://ephesians-511.net/docs/VASSULA_RYDEN-THE_EUCHARIST_AND_INTERCOMMUNION_ONE_DATE_AND_PAN-CHRISTIAN_ECUMENISM.doc

VASSULA RYDEN-EXCOMMUNICATED OR NOT-A LAW SUIT

http://ephesians-511.net/docs/VASSULA_RYDEN-EXCOMMUNICATED_OR_NOT-A_LAW_SUIT.doc

VASSULA RYDEN-THE REASONS FOR THE CHURCH’S NEGATIVE REACTION

http://ephesians-511.net/docs/VASSULA_RYDEN-THE_REASONS_FOR_THE_CHURCHS_NEGATIVE_REACTION.doc

VASSULA RYDEN-FR FRANCOIS MARIE DERMINE

http://ephesians-511.net/docs/VASSULA_RYDEN-FR_FRANCOIS_MARIE_DERMINE.doc

VASSULA RYDEN-FR MITCH PACWA

http://ephesians-511.net/docs/VASSULA_RYDEN-FR_MITCH_PACWA.doc

VASSULA RYDEN-FR PETER JOSEPH

http://ephesians-511.net/docs/VASSULA_RYDEN-FR_PETER_JOSEPH.doc

VASSULA RYDEN-FR BRIAN HARRISON

http://ephesians-511.net/docs/VASSULA_RYDEN-FR_BRIAN_HARRISON.doc

VASSULA RYDEN-FR RAY BLAKE

http://ephesians-511.net/docs/VASSULA_RYDEN-FR_RAY_BLAKE.doc

VASSULA RYDEN-MARIA LAURA PIO

http://ephesians-511.net/docs/VASSULA_RYDEN-MARIA_LAURA_PIO.doc

VASSULA RYDEN-MARK WATERINCKX

http://ephesians-511.net/docs/VASSULA_RYDEN-MARK_WATERINCKX.doc

VASSULA RYDEN-CARDINAL BASIL HUME

http://ephesians-511.net/docs/VASSULA_RYDEN-CARDINAL_BASIL_HUME.doc

VASSULA RYDEN-A CRITIQUE-DIALOGUE CENTRE INTERNATIONAL

http://ephesians-511.net/docs/VASSULA_RYDEN-A_CRITIQUE-DIALOGUE_CENTRE_INTERNATIONAL.doc

VASSULA RYDEN’S JESUS-INGERLISE PROVSTGAARD

http://ephesians-511.net/docs/VASSULA_RYDENS_JESUS-INGERLISE_PROVSTGAARD.doc

VASSULA RYDEN-RICHARD SALBATO

http://ephesians-511.net/docs/VASSULA_RYDEN-RICHARD_SALBATO.doc

VASSULA RYDEN-JOE NICKELL

http://ephesians-511.net/docs/VASSULA_RYDEN-JOE_NICKELL.doc

VASSULA RYDEN-CAREY WINTERS

http://ephesians-511.net/docs/VASSULA_RYDEN-CAREY_WINTERS.doc

VASSULA RYDEN-CONSTANCE CUMBEY

http://ephesians-511.net/docs/VASSULA_RYDEN-CONSTANCE_CUMBEY.doc

VASSULA RYDEN-RONALD L CONTE

http://ephesians-511.net/docs/VASSULA_RYDEN-RONALD_L_CONTE.doc

VASSULA RYDEN-AN ORTHODOX CHRISTIAN

http://ephesians-511.net/docs/VASSULA_RYDEN-AN_ORTHODOX_CHRISTIAN.doc

 

VASSULA RYDEN-JOHN SANIDOPOULOS

http://ephesians-511.net/docs/VASSULA_RYDEN-JOHN_SANIDOPOULOS.doc

VASSULA RYDEN-LAURENCE ENGLAND

http://ephesians-511.net/docs/VASSULA_RYDEN-LAURENCE_ENGLAND.doc

VASSULA RYDEN-LAURETTE ELSBERRY

http://ephesians-511.net/docs/VASSULA_RYDEN-LAURETTE_ELSBERRY.doc

VASSULA RYDEN-MURIEL

http://ephesians-511.net/docs/VASSULA_RYDEN-MURIEL.doc

VASSULA RYDEN-RICHARD CHONAK

http://ephesians-511.net/docs/VASSULA_RYDEN-RICHARD_CHONAK.doc
VASSULA RYDEN-TERRY NELSON

http://ephesians-511.net/docs/VASSULA_RYDEN-TERRY_NELSON.doc

VASSULA RYDEN-THEOTOKOS

http://ephesians-511.net/docs/VASSULA_RYDEN-THEOTOKOS.doc

VASSULA RYDEN-CATHOLIC ANSWERS

http://ephesians-511.net/docs/VASSULA_RYDEN-CATHOLIC_ANSWERS.doc

VASSULA RYDEN-CATHOLIC DOORS

http://ephesians-511.net/docs/VASSULA_RYDEN-CATHOLIC_DOORS.doc

VASSULA RYDEN-CATHOLICLIGHT

http://ephesians-511.net/docs/VASSULA_RYDEN-CATHOLICLIGHT.doc

VASSULA RYDEN-BENEDICT TANG

http://ephesians-511.net/docs/VASSULA_RYDEN-BENEDICT_TANG.doc

VASSULA RYDEN-BRO IGNATIUS MARY

http://ephesians-511.net/docs/VASSULA_RYDEN-BRO_IGNATIUS_MARY.doc

VASSULA RYDEN-INTERNATIONAL MARIAN RESEARCH INSTITUTE

http://ephesians-511.net/docs/VASSULA_RYDEN-INTERNATIONAL_MARIAN_RESEARCH_INSTITUTE.doc

VASSULA RYDEN-INVESTIGATE VASSULA

http://ephesians-511.net/docs/VASSULA_RYDEN-INVESTIGATE_VASSULA.doc

VASSULA RYDEN-APPARITIONSITES.COM

http://ephesians-511.net/docs/VASSULA_RYDEN-APPARITIONSITES.COM.doc

VASSULA RYDEN-EWTN

http://ephesians-511.net/docs/VASSULA_RYDEN-EWTN.doc

VASSULA RYDEN-SUSAN BRINKMANN

http://ephesians-511.net/docs/VASSULA_RYDEN-SUSAN_BRINKMANN.doc

VASSULA RYDEN-TE DEUM

http://ephesians-511.net/docs/VASSULA_RYDEN-TE_DEUM.doc

VASSULA RYDEN-DANIEL KLIMEK

http://ephesians-511.net/docs/VASSULA_RYDEN-DANIEL_KLIMEK.doc

VASSULA RYDEN-TONY-ALLEN CUCOLO

http://ephesians-511.net/docs/VASSULA_RYDEN-TONY-ALLEN_CUCOLO.doc

VASSULA RYDEN-ADUR VALLEY PARISH

http://ephesians-511.net/docs/VASSULA_RYDEN-ADUR_VALLEY_PARISH.doc

VASSULA RYDEN-SGERBIC

http://ephesians-511.net/docs/VASSULA_RYDEN-SGERBIC.doc

VASSULA RYDEN-SUNDAYVISION

http://ephesians-511.net/docs/VASSULA_RYDEN-SUNDAYVISION.doc

VASSULA RYDEN-ASK A CATHOLIC

http://ephesians-511.net/docs/VASSULA_RYDEN-ASK_A_CATHOLIC.doc

VASSULA RYDEN-TESTIMONIES

http://ephesians-511.net/docs/VASSULA_RYDEN_TESTIMONIES.doc

VASSULA RYDEN-ORTHODOX CHRISTIANITY

http://ephesians-511.net/docs/VASSULA_RYDEN-ORTHODOX_CHRISTIANITY.doc

VASSULA RYDEN-SEMPER FI

http://ephesians-511.net/docs/VASSULA_RYDEN-SEMPER_FI.doc

VASSULA RYDEN-CATHOLIC-PAGES.COM

http://ephesians-511.net/docs/VASSULA_RYDEN-CATHOLIC-PAGES.COM.doc

VASSULA RYDEN-CHRISTIANFORUMS.COM

http://ephesians-511.net/docs/VASSULA_RYDEN-CHRISTIANFORUMS.COM.doc

VASSULA RYDEN-NOTIFICATION
CDF, OCTOBER 6, 1995

http://ephesians-511.net/docs/VASSULA_RYDEN-NOTIFICATION.doc

VASSULA RYDEN-THE TLIG APOLOGISTS

http://ephesians-511.net/docs/VASSULA_RYDEN-THE_TLIG_APOLOGISTS.doc

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